I think intersex is probably the more apt term, and not distinctly female. Thus, you are correct in your self-diagnosis of a simpleton's take.
I think intersex is probably the more apt term, and not distinctly female. Thus, you are correct in your self-diagnosis of a simpleton's take.
RunRagged wrote:
[quote]Dwightarm wrote:
[quote]OozmaKappa wrote:
(At the same time, women are not "menstruators," "vagina-havers," "uterus owners," "gestators," "baby makers," "people with cervixes," "milk producers," "formless voids" or any of the other offensive neologisms that have been coined for us of late. Coined for us ostensibly in the spirt of "diversity and inclusion" but really as a way of adding insult to injury as we get elbowed out of the sports, spaces, services and civil rights so many of us fought hard to obtain.)
I mean...aren't women implicitly all of these things? Let's not spread false information.
global warming? wrote:
PMellyhenepics wrote:
Well could certainly replace those 100m heats at the olympics where what seemed like high-school caliber athletes plodded down the track. What the hell was the purpose of those?
They should run in the PARALYMPICS, not the Olympics. Like the 8.62 long jumper who insists on jumping off his blade leg and not his real leg.
This is actually a brilliant idea since it is a condition make a paralympic category for it
sex not gender wrote:
Dwightarm wrote:
It's one thing to debate the inclusion of intersex women in the women's division; it's another to spew hateful vitriol, especially towards a girl who didn't ask to be born this way and just wants to run.
The correct place to start from is that intersex athletes didn't ask to be born the way they were, it's just who they are. How do we find a solution that doesn't punish a person for something that is absolutely no fault of their own. The difficulty becomes with the difference between sex and gender. Her gender is female, she was raised female and has always been female and now people want to ban her from competing as female. You are taking something away from her when you do this (and more, singling her out and making her feel worse about herself for something that is not her fault). The reality is there is no easy solution, but there certainly will never be a solution reached if people are blinded by hate and anger for this girl who cannot help the way she was born. Start with some compassion. You want to stop a female from being able to race as a female - maybe that's the right thing to do for other competitors, but it's certainly not fair to her. Again - I don't know the right answer, but if you are unable to see it from her point of view and have some compassion, then there will never be a any sort of fair resolution to this issue.
Wonderful take. Agree with everything except the sex not gender bit
Do you want to aske a five year old which athlete dominated the race?
https://www.sportsmax.tv/media/k2/items/cache/tinagolden_XL.jpg
What are the actual rules preventing males from running in women's events. Isn't it testosterone levels rather than genitalia?
That picture really does say it all. There's no way to rationalize having the people in it compete in the same category. Anyone with a brain can see there's an issue.
LRC Note. A mod deleted this thread. We'll keep it up but demand that people be respectful and remind you are talking about an 18 year old who didn't task to be born with the external genitalia of one sex and the internal of another. Beatrice most definitely ins't cheating. Any posts saying as such will be deleted and result in a ban.
Did these disclaimers start before or after I called this place the gas station bathroom of the Internet?
In masilingi's defence, plenty of women have a lot going on down there, and masilingi has absolutely no bulge.
What's my point? i don't know if i have one.
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personA wrote:
sex not gender wrote:
The correct place to start from is that intersex athletes didn't ask to be born the way they were, it's just who they are. How do we find a solution that doesn't punish a person for something that is absolutely no fault of their own. The difficulty becomes with the difference between sex and gender. Her gender is female, she was raised female and has always been female and now people want to ban her from competing as female. You are taking something away from her when you do this (and more, singling her out and making her feel worse about herself for something that is not her fault). The reality is there is no easy solution, but there certainly will never be a solution reached if people are blinded by hate and anger for this girl who cannot help the way she was born. Start with some compassion. You want to stop a female from being able to race as a female - maybe that's the right thing to do for other competitors, but it's certainly not fair to her. Again - I don't know the right answer, but if you are unable to see it from her point of view and have some compassion, then there will never be a any sort of fair resolution to this issue.
Wonderful take. Agree with everything except the sex not gender bit
I'm blinded by science/logic and my compassion is for 99.9% who have to compete against this man.
All I can say is that I watched the women 100m and I will watch the women 200m. I did not watch any other races. I may watch the men 110H.
I think this is good for viewership.
0% chance that I would know who Ofili is otherwise
I don’t understand. She doesn’t have a penis, so how is she a man? This occurs in 5% of women and I’d wager most of the WNBA would fall into the intersex category.
Something needs to be done because it is not fair to have someone with this much testosterone race against woman with level much lower. I'm not sure when we will get there and it should be done for fairness, not to discriminate.
Is there a scientific reason this condition appears to happen in African women at a higher rate than other races? That isn't a criticism, and maybe it appears skewed because the only facet of life I pay attention to this is athletics, but I can think only of African women with this condition.
owjwodgwodh wrote:
Something needs to be done because it is not fair to have someone with this much testosterone race against woman with level much lower. I'm not sure when we will get there and it should be done for fairness, not to discriminate.
Is there a scientific reason this condition appears to happen in African women at a higher rate than other races? That isn't a criticism, and maybe it appears skewed because the only facet of life I pay attention to this is athletics, but I can think only of African women with this condition.
It occurs in other races also but they don't compete against women because they realize it's a farce.
sbeefyk2 wrote:
I don’t understand. She doesn’t have a penis, so how is she a man? This occurs in 5% of women and I’d wager most of the WNBA would fall into the intersex category.
DNA....Every cell in her body tells the lie...
Whatever her dna says, to me here's what it comes down to:
does she have a vagina? could i have sex with her without it being gay?
if yes, let her run. if no, she has to gtfo.
Zarmak wrote:
OozmaKappa wrote:
That is literally a man. Allowing men to compete with women means the end of womens sports.
Also, why are they always from Namibia?
LRC response. Your post is the type of post we don't really want. She is not a man. We think the proper definition is intersex. While we don't know the particulars of her situation, it's like she has no penis, no uterus but does have internal testes. That seems pretty much the definition of intersex - external genitalia that is female, internal that is male. Men generally have penises.
I'm not very well-versed in this. She's definitely "female" but is "intersex", meaning has testes that produce testosterone at a level much higher than your "typical female". It's not "fair" in my opinion, but she is "natural" and not deliberately cheating.
This is definitely a grey area and tougher to decide how to handle this situation than say transgender issues which involves pharmaceuticals and gender identity, and is more common sense to figure out imo.
“She’s definitely a female but has testes”. Seriously? Lmfao. You mean she identifies as female. I feel for this athletes but it can’t fly. Having said that I’m not going to care too much until the girls, who don’t have testes, grow a pair of balls of their own and speak out against it. They’re scared to death of the media backlash and f*ck who could blame them I guess.
sbeefyk2 wrote:
I don’t understand. She doesn’t have a penis, so how is she a man? This occurs in 5% of women and I’d wager most of the WNBA would fall into the intersex category.
You’d lose that wager so easily. There are definitely some not many. The most notable, and obvious, is Britney Griner.
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