Harvard president plagiarized her PhD thesis

agip wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

I'll have to continue disagreeing with your last few sentences. Israel is not separated from its enemies by ocean and vast lands. I'm pretty sure the mass killing and destruction of Arabs, most who have nothing to do with Hamas' attacks, will NOT make Israel safer. And no, that is not how civilizations are preserved. They are preserved by improving people's lives enough that they don't want to risk losing that. Refer to pretty much all of europe since WW2. Palestinians literally have nothing to lose now... thousands of new jihadists are being born from this mess. Is ok for the IDF to make new terrorists and then be forced to wipe them out in the name of "preserving civilization"? Sounds like a great justification for genocide.

honestly, could Palestinians hate Israelis any more than they did before the war? These are not Westerners...Palestinians are pointedly part of a different sort of culture. From their childhood they are taught by their religion, schools and politicians to hate Jews and celebrate when Jews suffer and die at the hands of Muslims.

That mindset is stuck in the minds of Palestinians, same as m'aga isn't interested one bit in anyone but Trump as their leader. Not going to change, can't change. Baked in the pudding.

And anyway, there are recent relevant examples countering your claim. The US recently crushed Afghanistan and Iraq, committed multiple atrocities against citizens of those nations...and there has been practically zero terrorism from those countries since. By your logic we would have unleashed a torrent of Afghan and Iraqi terrorists, out to kill Americans. Not so.

Sally Vix wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

I think it's OK for Harvard to make that decision without external meddling from politicians and billionaires. As for the plagiarism itself I think it depends on how extensive it was and intention. I have to dig in when I have more time, but it appears much of what the activist sleuths found are more technical errors than blatant stealing of others work. I also don't know if Harvard's board has an ultra strict policy for this stuff that automatically disqualifies a candidate/president. If they do then dismissal is fair game. I'm very disappointed that instead of firing her and citing thr reason they forced her to resign, effectively scapegoating.

This is a bit far-fetched scenario, but if University A elected David Duke as its president and it was proved he plagiarized on his Ph. D, you would allow University A to make the decision to fire or not fire him without outside influence?

Trollminator wrote:

agip wrote:

honestly, could Palestinians hate Israelis any more than they did before the war? These are not Westerners...Palestinians are pointedly part of a different sort of culture. From their childhood they are taught by their religion, schools and politicians to hate Jews and celebrate when Jews suffer and die at the hands of Muslims.

That mindset is stuck in the minds of Palestinians, same as m'aga isn't interested one bit in anyone but Trump as their leader. Not going to change, can't change. Baked in the pudding.

And anyway, there are recent relevant examples countering your claim. The US recently crushed Afghanistan and Iraq, committed multiple atrocities against citizens of those nations...and there has been practically zero terrorism from those countries since. By your logic we would have unleashed a torrent of Afghan and Iraqi terrorists, out to kill Americans. Not so.

1. That people are brainwashed is not a justification for wiping them out.

2. The US is half way around the world from the Middle East. Not a good comparison at all. See what happened in the region when we committed our atrocities. And ISIS was born and still at it. Had we been situated next to Iraq, I guarantee you it'd be a different story. Ill give you a more relevant comparison. Do you remember what happened in Lebanon after Israel invaded? Hezbollah. I don't think their uprising has made Israel safer.

But I guess by the prevailing pro war logic if they just wipe out everyone around them then maybe they won't have to worry.

agip wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

1. That people are brainwashed is not a justification for wiping them out.

2. The US is half way around the world from the Middle East. Not a good comparison at all. See what happened in the region when we committed our atrocities. And ISIS was born and still at it. Had we been situated next to Iraq, I guarantee you it'd be a different story. Ill give you a more relevant comparison. Do you remember what happened in Lebanon after Israel invaded? Hezbollah. I don't think their uprising has made Israel safer.

But I guess by the prevailing pro war logic if they just wipe out everyone around them then maybe they won't have to worry.

the US has soft targets all over the world, in virtually every nation. Every McDonalds, every Starbucks, every embassy. Let alone the hard targets like military bases and men and women in uniform overseas.

As usual wrote:

Never Heard of John Hope Franklin Nope wrote:

Smoke a Kool brother man and relax.

King was a great man and leader but who ever called him a "great scholar"?

Being a Doctor of Divinity in any faith, of any race or ethnicity, isn't a huge challenge, nor, given the immediate tasks at hand, should it be.

Was King correct about Vietnam? A lot more so than LBJ's "best and brightest," that's for sure

I'm going to Waffle House for eggs and grits now myself. Honey pie named Kataenta is waitressing this morn. See ya' there!

SMH....He graduated from college as teenager.

Still trying to diminish how great and brave Dr. Martin Luther King Jr is I see. I never said he was a great scholar. When did I say that. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, was a great human being, a very brave man, a great leader, a great speaker

"When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men — yes, Black men as well as white men — would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked insufficient funds.

We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. And so we've come to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice.

There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges."

-Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

I Have a Dream speech

August 28, 1963

Never Heard of John Hope Franklin Nope wrote:

As usual wrote:

SMH....He graduated from college as teenager.

Still trying to diminish how great and brave Dr. Martin Luther King Jr is I see. I never said he was a great scholar. When did I say that. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, was a great human being, a very brave man, a great leader, a great speaker

"When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men — yes, Black men as well as white men — would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked insufficient funds.

We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. And so we've come to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice.

There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges."

-Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

I Have a Dream speech

August 28, 1963

Keep going, your ignorance reigns supreme.

Now tell us who Dr. King's co-authors and ghost writers were for the "I Have A Dream" speech?

That's not at all a criticism: it's a fact and credit to King for working with other smart black men with professional writing backgrounds to craft his message -- which King delivered brilliantly but if you think he wrote all those words...

You simply do not know.

Likewise, the suffered between getting good grades as a D.D. and being a scholar of theology.

Gotta run, I'll save a spot at the counter for you, if you want to come down.

jottm987 wrote:

Captain Obvious... wrote:

Support for "Palestine" in the US and western Europe is hypocritical and ignorant of history.

For almost 80 years now, the citizens of the US and western Europe have lived in the peace hard-earned by winning WWII. That war was won not because God was on our side, or because John Wayne was a more valiant soldier than his enemies, or because the Allies were merciful to enemy civilians, etc. It was won because the US and Royal Air Forces indiscriminately bombed cities in Germany and Japan until those societies lost the will to resist. This despite not a single German or Japanese soldier ever setting foot in the US or Britain proper, let alone murdering, torturing, raping, or taking hostage any citizenry thereof.

Israel needs to be allowed to win their war. Whatever it takes. Hamas can have no role in Gaza when this is over.

At least you make a sensible argument, and aside from opening with some childish insults, you focus on your argument.

I wish more people could do that.

Although, this doesn't seem to be very on-topic.

Still, what are your thoughts of Israel getting caught bombing ambulances and hospitals and refugee camps? I think back in WWII, the governments had more control of what got reported from war zones, and could avoid admitting stuff like that.

what the............ wrote:

Never Heard of John Hope Franklin Nope wrote:

Keep going, your ignorance reigns supreme.

Now tell us who Dr. King's co-authors and ghost writers were for the "I Have A Dream" speech?

That's not at all a criticism: it's a fact and credit to King for working with other smart black men with professional writing backgrounds to craft his message -- which King delivered brilliantly but if you think he wrote all those words...

You simply do not know.

Likewise, the suffered between getting good grades as a D.D. and being a scholar of theology.

Gotta run, I'll save a spot at the counter for you, if you want to come down.

I see someone still trying to prove they are a racist. You accomplished that goal a long time ago.

Still disparaging black people in any and every instance. You wish. You wish you were a 10% of the man that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was.

Loser