Harvard president plagiarized her PhD thesis

No it wouldn't.

If the Allies would have wiped Germany and Japan off the map, they wouldn't be any better than their enemies.

Should US taxpayers who disagree with Israel's mass killings have to foot their war bill? Would you agree that the world is very different than it was in the 1940s? Does "whatever it takes" include genocide in your view?

I'll have to continue disagreeing with your last few sentences. Israel is not separated from its enemies by ocean and vast lands. I'm pretty sure the mass killing and destruction of Arabs, most who have nothing to do with Hamas' attacks, will NOT make Israel safer. And no, that is not how civilizations are preserved. They are preserved by improving people's lives enough that they don't want to risk losing that. Refer to pretty much all of europe since WW2. Palestinians literally have nothing to lose now... thousands of new jihadists are being born from this mess. Is ok for the IDF to make new terrorists and then be forced to wipe them out in the name of "preserving civilization"? Sounds like a great justification for genocide.

Slightly off topic , but another famous black scholar was caught plagiarizing, Martin Luther King. It has been admitted that he blatantly plagiarized (though this was brought up decades after his death), and because of his contributions to society and the time he was in, his plagiarism was deemed excusable. Claudine Gay, being a PhD and researcher in a useless and biased field in the 21st century, was not spared the same fate.

The way I see it, the African American/ black community should take this as an opportunity to learn from this, and not to engage in a petty and whining paragraphs and complaining on Twitter and other social media about black professional women being supposedly attacked and mistreated in academia and other high positions of power. There are a few things to learn from this , do not insult white Jews. Do not promote blatant antisemitism. It is ok to keep insulting other ethnicities of white people, just watch out for the Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews. Lastly, do not plagiarize full paragraphs from papers in an age where submissions and algorithms like turnitin can catch it in seconds through their database.

Thee was considerable pushback against Claudine Gay when she was announced as the next Harvard president because of her soft academic achievements, long before questions about anti-Semitism and free speech burst into flames last October.

Then the plagiarism should have been brought up at that time. In the grand scheme of things the president of Harvard is unimportant.

What is important is that a foreign nation is using covert influence ops (Adelson’s Project Butterfly) on American higher ed institutions and getting away with it. The American public should be outraged and all those involved need to be charged under FARA.

So, this is what is termed a strawman argument. Ackman NEVER accused Gay of plagerism; other people did. Ackman rightfully called out Gay for not condemning calls for violence against Jews, rightfully so, in violation of the Harvard Code of Conduct.

Her comments were NOT antiemetic. Criticism of Jews, zionists, and Israel is legitimate. As an academic she is weak as phuck, but with hiring being done solely based on raising an organization’s DEI / ESG score, this is to be expected. Do people honestly think she was not vetted before she was hired? Harvard knew she was a plagiarist with a nothing “PhD” long ago and did nothing. Therefore, she should not be fired. This simply exposes Harvard for what it is.

Correct, Harvard folded to Stefanik, Ackman and other wealthy donors.

Good summary of the Gay debacle

thespectator.com

Lessons from the removal of Harvard’s president

Paul du Quenoy

If Harvard and American higher education as a whole are to be saved, the pressure must continue unremittingly and at every level

Link:thespectator.com/topic/lessons-from-th...

You really think it is okay for Harvard to have an undeniable plagiarist leading its institution?

As more and more organizations fill top spots based on race, gender, disability, etc. it’s only natural that the bar be lowered. How large is the pool of black women in America qualified to be a university president? I bet it is less than 1% of all suitable candidates. What happens when they all want to hire from this very tiny pool of qualified people? They end up having to hire very substandard people.

This kind of hiring undermines credibility. When I see a black or woman in a historically white male role my initial thought is they must be a diversity hire, ie. unqualified for the job.

Where in the Harvard College Student Handbook does it say students are not allowed to call out Israel for war crimes? What you, Ackman, and the dumb half of congress don’t understand is that Israel isn’t special and that calling out Israel for its actions is not antisemitism. Gay rightfully defended students’ right to free speech - something that many oppose because they disagree with that speech. In fact, any statement not condemning Israel’s actions and violence against Palestinians is just as much in violation of the “Harvard Code of Conduct” as calls for violence against Jews.

But, either way, MIT should revoke Ackman’s wife’s degree.

honestly, could Palestinians hate Israelis any more than they did before the war? These are not Westerners...Palestinians are pointedly part of a different sort of culture. From their childhood they are taught by their religion, schools and politicians to hate Jews and celebrate when Jews suffer and die at the hands of Muslims.

That mindset is stuck in the minds of Palestinians, same as m'aga isn't interested one bit in anyone but Trump as their leader. Not going to change, can't change. Baked in the pudding.

And anyway, there are recent relevant examples countering your claim. The US recently crushed Afghanistan and Iraq, committed multiple atrocities against citizens of those nations...and there has been practically zero terrorism from those countries since. By your logic we would have unleashed a torrent of Afghan and Iraqi terrorists, out to kill Americans. Not so.

I think it's OK for Harvard to make that decision without external meddling from politicians and billionaires. As for the plagiarism itself I think it depends on how extensive it was and intention. I have to dig in when I have more time, but it appears much of what the activist sleuths found are more technical errors than blatant stealing of others work. I also don't know if Harvard's board has an ultra strict policy for this stuff that automatically disqualifies a candidate/president. If they do then dismissal is fair game. I'm very disappointed that instead of firing her and citing thr reason they forced her to resign, effectively scapegoating.

And you just had to bring Trump into the conversation! LOL.

This is a bit far-fetched scenario, but if University A elected David Duke as its president and it was proved he plagiarized on his Ph. D, you would allow University A to make the decision to fire or not fire him without outside influence?