Harvard president plagiarized her PhD thesis

We are all chosen wrote:

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

You believe 100% of what Hamas tells you but any data you don't like from a western source you dismiss instantly without having any idea where it's from.

lol.

I'm not an idiot so I believe that incarceration rates have more to do with crime than skin color.

Jewish people tend not to abandon their children. Black men, on the other hand, abandon their children at a 70+% rate in America.

The disparity in criminality between Jews and blacks in America has F*CK ALL to do with skin color.

Guess which group in America is the only group to commit a higher proportion of hate crimes than their proportion of the populations. Black people.

Guess who their #1 target is. Jews.

You're so devoted to racism you've managed to be wrong about everything.

Ok. But we are agreed that the removal of Claudine Gay was a result of a Zionist hasbara campaign to intimidate academics from speaking out against the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians?

Link:www.thenation.com/article/world/israel...

We are all chosen wrote:

king999 wrote:

I think a lot of the issue was the pretty clear anti Jewish sentiment and clear anti Israel position shown not only at Harvard

i am 66 years old not Jewish but grew up in a town that had enough Jewish population that I went to 7 Bar Mitzvahs

in all of my years i had no idea there was support at this level for Palestine

never ever saw it

Or the outright anti Israel sentiment at such a visible level

Gay had a chance to diffuse her own lack of an at least a more neutral position and clearly botched her Congress appearance

not many would objectively disagree with that?

I think you perfectly summed up the strength of the Israeli lobby and its propaganda by saying this “in all of my years i had no idea there was support at this level for Palestine”

Palestinians are living in an apartheid state as second class citizens. That is an objective fact, yet because the media, politicians, and even universities are so beholden to the Israeli lobby it is not widely known. Any right thinking person would have empathy for the Palestinian cause, however the hasbara machine has made showing even an iota of support for Palestine as equivalent to being a rabid anti-semite.

Calling for a two state solution and equal rights for Palestinians should not mean you are at threat to be smeared and lose your job. It should be the consensus view. History will not look back kindly at the mistreatment of Palestinians for the past 70 years.

Trollminator wrote:

We are all chosen wrote:

I think you perfectly summed up the strength of the Israeli lobby and its propaganda by saying this “in all of my years i had no idea there was support at this level for Palestine”

Palestinians are living in an apartheid state as second class citizens. That is an objective fact, yet because the media, politicians, and even universities are so beholden to the Israeli lobby it is not widely known. Any right thinking person would have empathy for the Palestinian cause, however the hasbara machine has made showing even an iota of support for Palestine as equivalent to being a rabid anti-semite.

Calling for a two state solution and equal rights for Palestinians should not mean you are at threat to be smeared and lose your job. It should be the consensus view. History will not look back kindly at the mistreatment of Palestinians for the past 70 years.

Some jews I know are also dumbfounded by the apparent strong support for Palestinians. Putting the dispute over focus on the terror attacks vs IDF response aside, they are just starting wake up to the support for Palestinians amidst the collective punishment. But of course they also don't get it because they are very far away from it all. Now talk to many Israelis and it's a different story. They are also mostly shielded from the immense suffering and destruction of Palestinians, but most at least are aware of it. It simply has not been covered in any meaningful way in the past. People should not be surprised that there is empathy for this level of suffering and death, and while there is plenty of anti-semitism around the world it is still objectively true that for many decades and today Palestinians have suffered disproportionately more under the responses of the IDF and policies backward leaders like Bibi. Blame who you will but there is no comparison today and no denying it. Blaming media for finally covering Palestinian suffering and calling any critics anti-semitic is insane.

ShockeddbyPalestine wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Some jews I know are also dumbfounded by the apparent strong support for Palestinians. Putting the dispute over focus on the terror attacks vs IDF response aside, they are just starting wake up to the support for Palestinians amidst the collective punishment. But of course they also don't get it because they are very far away from it all. Now talk to many Israelis and it's a different story. They are also mostly shielded from the immense suffering and destruction of Palestinians, but most at least are aware of it. It simply has not been covered in any meaningful way in the past. People should not be surprised that there is empathy for this level of suffering and death, and while there is plenty of anti-semitism around the world it is still objectively true that for many decades and today Palestinians have suffered disproportionately more under the responses of the IDF and policies backward leaders like Bibi. Blame who you will but there is no comparison today and no denying it. Blaming media for finally covering Palestinian suffering and calling any critics anti-semitic is insane.

How can anyone be dumbfounded by the strong support for Palestine ?

The entire 2 million people of Gaza are either displaced, having their home or neighbor home bombed to the ground, or killed.

Look at any map of what's happening in Gaza, there's literally zero untouched zone.

What the hell should people think ?

What happened during October 7 doesn't mean the way the IDF is responding is automatically right.

ShockeddbyPalestine wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Some jews I know are also dumbfounded by the apparent strong support for Palestinians. Putting the dispute over focus on the terror attacks vs IDF response aside, they are just starting wake up to the support for Palestinians amidst the collective punishment. But of course they also don't get it because they are very far away from it all. Now talk to many Israelis and it's a different story. They are also mostly shielded from the immense suffering and destruction of Palestinians, but most at least are aware of it. It simply has not been covered in any meaningful way in the past. People should not be surprised that there is empathy for this level of suffering and death, and while there is plenty of anti-semitism around the world it is still objectively true that for many decades and today Palestinians have suffered disproportionately more under the responses of the IDF and policies backward leaders like Bibi. Blame who you will but there is no comparison today and no denying it. Blaming media for finally covering Palestinian suffering and calling any critics anti-semitic is insane.

How can anyone be dumbfounded by the strong support for Palestine ?

The entire 2 million people of Gaza are either displaced, having their home or neighbor home bombed to the ground, or killed.

Look at any map of what's happening in Gaza, there's literally zero untouched zone.

What the hell should people think ?

What happened during October 7 doesn't mean the way the IDF is responding is automatically right.

Captain Obvious... wrote:

ShockeddbyPalestine wrote:

How can anyone be dumbfounded by the strong support for Palestine ?

The entire 2 million people of Gaza are either displaced, having their home or neighbor home bombed to the ground, or killed.

Look at any map of what's happening in Gaza, there's literally zero untouched zone.

What the hell should people think ?

What happened during October 7 doesn't mean the way the IDF is responding is automatically right.

Support for "Palestine" in the US and western Europe is hypocritical and ignorant of history.

For almost 80 years now, the citizens of the US and western Europe have lived in the peace hard-earned by winning WWII. That war was won not because God was on our side, or because John Wayne was a more valiant soldier than his enemies, or because the Allies were merciful to enemy civilians, etc. It was won because the US and Royal Air Forces indiscriminately bombed cities in Germany and Japan until those societies lost the will to resist. This despite not a single German or Japanese soldier ever setting foot in the US or Britain proper, let alone murdering, torturing, raping, or taking hostage any citizenry thereof.

Israel needs to be allowed to win their war. Whatever it takes. Hamas can have no role in Gaza when this is over.

jottm987 wrote:

Captain Obvious... wrote:

Support for "Palestine" in the US and western Europe is hypocritical and ignorant of history.

For almost 80 years now, the citizens of the US and western Europe have lived in the peace hard-earned by winning WWII. That war was won not because God was on our side, or because John Wayne was a more valiant soldier than his enemies, or because the Allies were merciful to enemy civilians, etc. It was won because the US and Royal Air Forces indiscriminately bombed cities in Germany and Japan until those societies lost the will to resist. This despite not a single German or Japanese soldier ever setting foot in the US or Britain proper, let alone murdering, torturing, raping, or taking hostage any citizenry thereof.

Israel needs to be allowed to win their war. Whatever it takes. Hamas can have no role in Gaza when this is over.

At least you make a sensible argument, and aside from opening with some childish insults, you focus on your argument.

I wish more people could do that.

Although, this doesn't seem to be very on-topic.

Still, what are your thoughts of Israel getting caught bombing ambulances and hospitals and refugee camps? I think back in WWII, the governments had more control of what got reported from war zones, and could avoid admitting stuff like that.

Trollminator wrote:

We are all chosen wrote:

I think you perfectly summed up the strength of the Israeli lobby and its propaganda by saying this “in all of my years i had no idea there was support at this level for Palestine”

Palestinians are living in an apartheid state as second class citizens. That is an objective fact, yet because the media, politicians, and even universities are so beholden to the Israeli lobby it is not widely known. Any right thinking person would have empathy for the Palestinian cause, however the hasbara machine has made showing even an iota of support for Palestine as equivalent to being a rabid anti-semite.

Calling for a two state solution and equal rights for Palestinians should not mean you are at threat to be smeared and lose your job. It should be the consensus view. History will not look back kindly at the mistreatment of Palestinians for the past 70 years.

Some jews I know are also dumbfounded by the apparent strong support for Palestinians. Putting the dispute over focus on the terror attacks vs IDF response aside, they are just starting wake up to the support for Palestinians amidst the collective punishment. But of course they also don't get it because they are very far away from it all. Now talk to many Israelis and it's a different story. They are also mostly shielded from the immense suffering and destruction of Palestinians, but most at least are aware of it. It simply has not been covered in any meaningful way in the past. People should not be surprised that there is empathy for this level of suffering and death, and while there is plenty of anti-semitism around the world it is still objectively true that for many decades and today Palestinians have suffered disproportionately more under the responses of the IDF and policies backward leaders like Bibi. Blame who you will but there is no comparison today and no denying it. Blaming media for finally covering Palestinian suffering and calling any critics anti-semitic is insane.