Another run across America underway - is it legit? Boots currently on the ground

appropriate language wrote:

This has rather been lost in the recent avalanche of posts, but I'd like an answer to the "day 26 problem" I raised earlier.

The dodgy data theory states that WG systematically shows slowing heart rates, but only when not observed. Let's look at day 26.

There's a sudden drop of HR at 40k and leap at 80k, but the pace is largely sub 7 minute Ks between, what Will C calls world class. In particular take Ks 71 to 80, pace averages 6:40, heart rate averages 112. This fits exactly what Will C has been calling dirty. A subscriber to his theory would look at this data and conclude it's a slam dunk that the watch was passed on from WG at 40 and back to him at 80.

Except for the day 26 problem. Will C was there observing it..

In fact there are two problems:

- That it undermines the theory that these HR fluctuations are only present when WG isn't being watched. I would say fatally.

- Will C has labelled this clean. Care to ask yourself why?

Plenty of subscribers to the theory here, maybe one could explain this apparent anomaly?

Link:www.strava.com/activities/8969666842/p...

appropriate language wrote:

appropriate language wrote:

This has rather been lost in the recent avalanche of posts, but I'd like an answer to the "day 26 problem" I raised earlier.

The dodgy data theory states that WG systematically shows slowing heart rates, but only when not observed. Let's look at day 26.

There's a sudden drop of HR at 40k and leap at 80k, but the pace is largely sub 7 minute Ks between, what Will C calls world class. In particular take Ks 71 to 80, pace averages 6:40, heart rate averages 112. This fits exactly what Will C has been calling dirty. A subscriber to his theory would look at this data and conclude it's a slam dunk that the watch was passed on from WG at 40 and back to him at 80.

Except for the day 26 problem. Will C was there observing it..

In fact there are two problems:

- That it undermines the theory that these HR fluctuations are only present when WG isn't being watched. I would say fatally.

- Will C has labelled this clean. Care to ask yourself why?

Plenty of subscribers to the theory here, maybe one could explain this apparent anomaly?

Link:www.strava.com/activities/8969666842/p...

So still no solution to the Day 26 problem? Note that Will C explicitly mentions being there that day and gives it a clean bill of health, see post #606.

As this apparently invalidates the entire heart rate anomaly theory I'm surprised there's no reaction. Or maybe I'm not.

Note I'm not saying this means WG isn't cheating, or he isn't a knob. But I am saying it shows his HR drops while under observation, meaning all the HR analysis has been a total waste of time.

bedsbucks wrote:

appropriate language wrote:

So still no solution to the Day 26 problem? Note that Will C explicitly mentions being there that day and gives it a clean bill of health, see post #606.

As this apparently invalidates the entire heart rate anomaly theory I'm surprised there's no reaction. Or maybe I'm not.

Note I'm not saying this means WG isn't cheating, or he isn't a knob. But I am saying it shows his HR drops while under observation, meaning all the HR analysis has been a total waste of time.

Well caught. There's even a period of him running low 5 minute Ks at 115 bpm. This is on Day 26 when Will C was monitoring - data Will C has said was 'clean' per #606.

In Will C's own words:

"Upon my departure, should you see his speeds pick up again and heart rate drop, to a very low, physiologically impossible BPM, please question it loudly, and do not, I repeat NOT, simply write it off as a "tech fail". This is what they want you to believe. For those unclear, this includes Kms of sub 6 minutes under 150 bpm, sub 7 minutes under 140bpm, and sub 8 under 130bpm. In particular, look out for Kms in the 90-120bpm range when the subject is claimed to be running. This is clearly not possible, and is most certainly NOT a tech fail."

Link:www.strava.com/activities/8969666842

stravawatcher wrote:

bedsbucks wrote:

Well caught. There's even a period of him running low 5 minute Ks at 115 bpm. This is on Day 26 when Will C was monitoring - data Will C has said was 'clean' per #606.

In Will C's own words:

"Upon my departure, should you see his speeds pick up again and heart rate drop, to a very low, physiologically impossible BPM, please question it loudly, and do not, I repeat NOT, simply write it off as a "tech fail". This is what they want you to believe. For those unclear, this includes Kms of sub 6 minutes under 150 bpm, sub 7 minutes under 140bpm, and sub 8 under 130bpm. In particular, look out for Kms in the 90-120bpm range when the subject is claimed to be running. This is clearly not possible, and is most certainly NOT a tech fail."

Link:www.strava.com/activities/8969666842

I agree with this. The HR data for this "monitored" day does look low, just like the other days.