"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

Styrofoil Hat wrote:

No I don't, be to seem hell bent on vaccinating everyone even though 99% of people only experience mild cases. I have already said the vulnerable should consider it. What is the point of mass vaccination with an experimental vaccine with politically rushed data approval if it does not protect against the symptoms most people get?

It does protect! Just not perfectly. It also protects against transmission and protects VERY well against severe disease and long term damage, which is lower probability but still MUCH higher than the risk of the vaccine.

Surely you understand this. You are smart enough to read basic percentages. No need to play dumb. It's OK to admit vaccines are Good Actually.

Has anyone manage to explain why the vast majority of hospitalized patients in the US are unvaccinated?

2600 bro wrote:

Has anyone manage to explain why the vast majority of hospitalized patients in the US are unvaccinated?

Pandemic of the unvaccinated: confirmed.

Harambe wrote:

Styrofoil Hat wrote:

No I don't, be to seem hell bent on vaccinating everyone even though 99% of people only experience mild cases. I have already said the vulnerable should consider it. What is the point of mass vaccination with an experimental vaccine with politically rushed data approval if it does not protect against the symptoms most people get?

It does protect! Just not perfectly. It also protects against transmission and protects VERY well against severe disease and long term damage, which is lower probability but still MUCH higher than the risk of the vaccine.

Surely you understand this. You are smart enough to read basic percentages. No need to play dumb. It's OK to admit vaccines are Good Actually.

You have no evidence the vaccine protects healthy people from long term damage caused by mild cases of the virus. Long term damage is only likely in severe cases. I don't think this vaccine is a smart choice for young healthy people and there is no evidence to support that it is not justify the need for vaccine mandates for students. There is also no evidence the vaccine prevents transmission, and it may in fact give people the false impression they are not spreading it when the actually are. STOP LYING.

gross propaganda slogans. if you had any dignity you'd be embarrassed to repeat them.

potato_salad wrote:

gross propaganda slogans. if you had any dignity you'd be embarrassed to repeat them.

They have no dignity, and typically display this is explicitly offensive screes not are not acceptable even on a forum like Letsrun. They have still provided no evidence that mass vaccination is necessary rather than simply vaccinating the vulnerable populations. This is what we do for the flu each year and it works just fine.

2600 bro wrote:

Has anyone manage to explain why the vast majority of hospitalized patients in the US are unvaccinated?

Post the data as of recently? They were not testing vaxxed people for a long time. The Israeli data is more complete and seems to indicate there is no difference in infection rates between the two groups. That said, I would guess the unvaxxed elderly population has more hospitalized than the vaxxed. Other than that I would guess there is no difference at all and I have not seen any data that indicates anything otherwise at any significant level.

Harambe wrote:

See thread:

https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1428785670110150657

"So, the vast majority of transmissions are unvaxxed."

The final conclusion from the "study" you used to base this whole "pandemic of the unvaccinated" theme.....you are a lying joke dude. Can you distort reality any further than you already have? I suspect you will try. Good job nut job.

"With Delta, infections occurring following two vaccinations had similar

peak viral burden to those in unvaccinated individuals. SARS-CoV-2 vaccination still reduces new infections,

but effectiveness and attenuation of peak viral burden are reduced with Delta."

Lead Foil Hat XXV wrote:

The final conclusion from the "study" you used to base this whole "pandemic of the unvaccinated" theme.....you are a lying joke dude. Can you distort reality any further than you already have? I suspect you will try. Good job nut job.

"With Delta, infections occurring following two vaccinations had similar

peak viral burden to those in unvaccinated individuals. SARS-CoV-2 vaccination still reduces new infections,

but effectiveness and attenuation of peak viral burden are reduced with Delta."

I'm gonna trust one of the world experts on viral immunology to interpret the data (from that and other papers) over you:

Lead Foil Hat XXV wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Has anyone manage to explain why the vast majority of hospitalized patients in the US are unvaccinated?

Post the data as of recently? They were not testing vaxxed people for a long time. The Israeli data is more complete and seems to indicate there is no difference in infection rates between the two groups. That said, I would guess the unvaxxed elderly population has more hospitalized than the vaxxed. Other than that I would guess there is no difference at all and I have not seen any data that indicates anything otherwise at any significant level.

Israeli hospitalization data shows the vaccines are incredibly effective. As I've posted MANY times in this thread.

Here's the latest data from San Diego County if you want recent stuff:

There have been 15 vaccinated hospitalizations and 651 unvaccinated hospitalizations in the last 30 days....

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XXV wrote:

Post the data as of recently? They were not testing vaxxed people for a long time. The Israeli data is more complete and seems to indicate there is no difference in infection rates between the two groups. That said, I would guess the unvaxxed elderly population has more hospitalized than the vaxxed. Other than that I would guess there is no difference at all and I have not seen any data that indicates anything otherwise at any significant level.

Israeli hospitalization data shows the vaccines are incredibly effective. As I've posted MANY times in this thread.

Here's the latest data from San Diego County if you want recent stuff:

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/dam/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/Epidemiology/COVID-19%20Case%20Summary%20by%20Vaccination%20Status.pdf

There have been 15 vaccinated hospitalizations and 651 unvaccinated hospitalizations in the last 30 days....

No you haven't. Where is that data then? This San Diego data does not break down hospitalizations by age group. I wonder why not? You would think that is a useful bit of data. Are they even testing people that have been vaccinated when they enter the hospital? IS this data not skewed by the fact that they test unvaxxed people before any hospital based procedure but they do not test the fully vaxxed? I call BS on your narrative and the data you post does not support what you say.

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XXV wrote:

The final conclusion from the "study" you used to base this whole "pandemic of the unvaccinated" theme.....you are a lying joke dude. Can you distort reality any further than you already have? I suspect you will try. Good job nut job.

"With Delta, infections occurring following two vaccinations had similar

peak viral burden to those in unvaccinated individuals. SARS-CoV-2 vaccination still reduces new infections,

but effectiveness and attenuation of peak viral burden are reduced with Delta."

I'm gonna trust one of the world experts on viral immunology to interpret the data (from that and other papers) over you:

https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1428785694198013957?s=20

Dude, the quote is from the study this guy posted? Are you delusional? You put more trust in a twitter quote than the abstract of the paper he posts? Are you a child who can't tell the difference? There is no pandemic of the unvaxxed. You are just distorting reality, grossly.

2600 bro wrote:

Has anyone manage to explain why the vast majority of hospitalized patients in the US are unvaccinated?

Are the "vast majority" really "unvaccinated?" Do you have any hospital admission data listing each person admitted for Covid; their gender, age, any pre-existing medical conditions including obesity? Then a confirmation that they are not vaccinated signed off by the admitting physician. Just because the MSM & CDC say it's so doesn't mean it's correct. I trust the Pharma/CDC Empire about as far as I can throw them. Lol.

Uninformed and contradictory. No one said the vaccines stop transmission. That’s a straw man argument. They reduce them and there is strong evidence for this.

You also accuse the guy of not having evidence then you express your unqualified opinion with no evidence. I just laugh at the anti vax arguments and how they think their “research “ results in them knowing more than our top health officials. It’s pretty entertaining.

Vax weak against Delta.

UK data - Pg 22 - 23 - of 1189 DELTA deaths:

- unvax - 390

- fully vax - 679

- partially vax - 104

- unidentified - 16

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1012644/Technical_Briefing_21.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1Wi3LQ24C5TVE9j1bNHQEzINxV0IpXdrdg00Q1aPKHAizNLLUNB-H8G5U

Crap...link above didn't work. One more try. If this doesn't work, my apologies.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1012644/Technical_Briefing_21.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1Wi3LQ24C5TVE9j1bNHQEzINxV0IpXdrdg00Q1aPKHAizNLLUNB-H8G5U

Last year pre vaccinations, UK got up to 60,000 cases a day and 1,300 deaths.

Since freedom day,, no lockdown but with70-80% vaccinated, it’s 45,000 cases a day and 110 1300deaths.

On a pro rata basis, that’s 11% of the deaths.

2600 bro wrote:

Has anyone manage to explain why the vast majority of hospitalized patients in the US are unvaccinated?

Not in Israel.

Not in England.

Not in any nation ahead of the curve in vaxxes and so called variants.

US will follow same path.

More vaccines. More serious cases and deaths.

Vaccines are dangerous and don't help

Lying Fauci.

When will Big Pharma be held accountable instead of rewarded?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9ezXZC71Dk