"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XXV wrote:

SO you are saying you are cherry-picking the data and then made up a reality in your head? Correct?

There’s plenty of evidence of excess deaths being driven by Covid. I’ve seen no evidence in the other direction. Here’s a study of many countries that shows the COVID mortality drives excess mortality through fall 2020.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771841

We’re ALL these countries making it up? Even the ones with tight controls but limited mortality in that time frame? I’d need evidence for that shocking conspiracy.

Now you are redirecting yourself away from my question. I understand that if there are excess deaths in the past year and that they do correlate to spikes in covid cases/deaths; which yes, there are some and we do not need to debate the numbers here. I asked you to provide the data you claim exists about excess deaths correlating with lockdown measures. Stick to the subject and answer the question. Where you l=just making things up for emphasis or can you share the evidence? We don't want people posting all kinds of covid misinformation. Get to work and get back to us so we can be properly informed.

Lead Foil Hat XXV wrote:

Now you are redirecting yourself away from my question. I understand that if there are excess deaths in the past year and that they do correlate to spikes in covid cases/deaths; which yes, there are some and we do not need to debate the numbers here. I asked you to provide the data you claim exists about excess deaths correlating with lockdown measures. .

Glad we agree

1) Excess deaths correlate with COVID spikes.

2) lockdowns don’t — I never said there was a strong correlation! Don’t need to prove that :)

3) if lockdowns were killing people you’d expect other causes of death to change (unless you think doctors were lying en masse). They don’t.

4) plenty of countries of varying degrees of “lockdowns” had correlations between Covid cases and excess deaths. I.e. Sweden vs Australia.

There’s tons of evidence that you acknowledge! I appreciate that. We are on the same page.

No, no, you claimed the regions that had mitigation efforts in place correlate with low excess death counts. Don't divert, either admit you lied or show the data. There must be data to support your claim?

Lead Foil Hat XXV wrote:

No, no, you claimed the regions that had mitigation efforts in place correlate with low excess death counts. Don't divert, either admit you lied or show the data. There must be data to support your claim?

Actually I didn’t say that. I said that lockdowns were not correlated with an increase in excess deaths, rather that those increases were instead perfectly explained by COVID spikes.

I.e. COVID caused excess deaths. This is what the data supports. Not any other explanation.

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XXV wrote:

No, no, you claimed the regions that had mitigation efforts in place correlate with low excess death counts. Don't divert, either admit you lied or show the data. There must be data to support your claim?

Actually I didn’t say that. I said that lockdowns were not correlated with an increase in excess deaths, rather that those increases were instead perfectly explained by COVID spikes.

I.e. COVID caused excess deaths. This is what the data supports. Not any other explanation.

SO you are are claiming that places that had lockdowns did not see excess deaths? Show the data then and stop spinning circles around avoiding it.

Lead Foil Hat XXV wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Actually I didn’t say that. I said that lockdowns were not correlated with an increase in excess deaths, rather that those increases were instead perfectly explained by COVID spikes.

I.e. COVID caused excess deaths. This is what the data supports. Not any other explanation.

SO you are are claiming that places that had lockdowns did not see excess deaths? Show the data then and stop spinning circles around avoiding it.

No cherry-picking the data either. Let's see a big data set with many nations/locations. You always claim the big data sets are the only ones we can rely on.

Israel.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/image.jpeg

Harambe wrote:

There’s no other explanation for the excess deaths other than COVID. But I await the 1000th subject change rather than confront this fact.

Yes there is, little dick. Just because you don't accept it it doesn't make it any less real.

439 wrote:

Harambe wrote:

There’s no other explanation for the excess deaths other than COVID. But I await the 1000th subject change rather than confront this fact.

Yes there is, little dick. Just because you don't accept it it doesn't make it any less real.

Woah, keep the language appropriate here; please.

*fact check wrote:

Israel.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/image.jpeg

What are you trying to show here? This basically shows that the same percentage of people in both groups, vaxed and unvaxed, are getting covid. Correct?

Isn't PCR the dude from Infowars? I love conspiracy theories, but let's just post the real studies instead.

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

*fact check wrote:

Israel.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/image.jpeg

What are you trying to show here? This basically shows that the same percentage of people in both groups, vaxed and unvaxed, are getting covid. Correct?

Isn't PCR the dude from Infowars? I love conspiracy theories, but let's just post the real studies instead.

Didn't he footnote his sources? You can't find these?

The Unkle wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

What are you trying to show here? This basically shows that the same percentage of people in both groups, vaxed and unvaxed, are getting covid. Correct?

Isn't PCR the dude from Infowars? I love conspiracy theories, but let's just post the real studies instead.

Didn't he footnote his sources? You can't find these?

Oh, ok, I see it. I think the data is useful, but why give others reason to dismiss it by attaching a good data set to Craig Paul Roberts. It is not helping make the point.

Lead Foil Hat XXV wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XXV wrote:

SO you are are claiming that places that had lockdowns did not see excess deaths? Show the data then and stop spinning circles around avoiding it.

No cherry-picking the data either. Let's see a big data set with many nations/locations. You always claim the big data sets are the only ones we can rely on.

No. I am saying that lockdowns and excess deaths are not correlated. That doesn’t mean places with lockdown see low excess deaths. It means that one doesn’t correlate with the other. Lockdowns have little to no predictive value of excess deaths. Not sure how many ways I can say it.

COVID cases do predict excess deaths. Because all the data supports COVID killing people. Humorous I still need to spell out that a respiratory virus is death 18 months into the pandemic.

It’s really quite simple. The best explanation for excess deaths is that COVID caused them. I’ve given you several lines of evidence relating to correlations with COVID spikes and death certificate data. It’s now on you to provide a compelling reason why this is not true.

You can’t. Because COVID is real. Go back to crying about the vaccine or something.

Hilarious how all the COVID and vax skeptics must circle back to “the deaths are fake” to support their root causes.

If your mental models are grounded in such inanity you’d think you should reevaluate but….

439 wrote:

Harambe wrote:

There’s no other explanation for the excess deaths other than COVID. But I await the 1000th subject change rather than confront this fact.

Yes there is, little dick. Just because you don't accept it it doesn't make it any less real.

Cue the subject change to my genitals. Anyway feel free to bring data if you have a point to make

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Anyone interested in the situation in Israel should read this analysis from a bio-stats prof at UPenn.

https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated

Harambe wrote:

Anyone interested in the situation in Israel should read this analysis from a bio-stats prof at UPenn.

https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated

60%?

Old news.

Nearing 80% -- probably higher than that by now

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

Didn't he footnote his sources? You can't find these?

Oh, ok, I see it. I think the data is useful, but why give others reason to dismiss it by attaching a good data set to Craig Paul Roberts. It is not helping make the point.

Who cares about that. Smear the messenger is merely a way to stifle the truth

2600 bro wrote:

Hilarious how all the COVID and vax skeptics must circle back to “the deaths are fake” to support their root causes.

If your mental models are grounded in such inanity you’d think you should reevaluate but….

Hey, you're back!!! Who is saying deaths are fake? Maybe exaggerated, but not fake. Harambe claims places with lockdowns had had less excess deaths, just challenging this narrative.