Serious thread about election fraud

I started a small bit right of center. I am a big believer in personal responsibility. However, as I have stated numerous times throughout this thread I am currently VERY liberal until a mentally stunted leader of the right is long gone.

I have become left-leaning due to reading, listening, and observing input from everywhere. You appear you would like for me to be brainwashed.

I absolutely see the base Trump supporters as I listed. You may not want to face that but listen to them, talk to them, and watch them. Your wants or words do not change behavior. Of course it angers them. Everything angers them. What doesn't? If you look honestly you will not like the answer. "Make America Great Again" was a rallying cry to return to the 50's which was not a very good time for women and minorities, yet here we are.

If what I said isn't true, why are Trumpers against a current party that on the surface wants fair wages and working conditions, health care for all, higher education help, social security protection, etc. versus the other side that wants......? A wall? What does Trump stand for?

They got duped by a low IQ grifter who changed parties because "I can convince the base republicans of anything and they will follow" and are in too deep to admit their very flawed approach.

Systemic racism is easy to see if you grow up or are around POC enough to witness it. Myself I actually found out how racist people really were when I moved out of the city and realized white people say some really crazy things when its only white people around them. Where I grew up you just didnt say those kinds of things, either out of fear (of being beaten up) or just plain respect. Then in the corporate world where it is obvious that hiring managers find reasons not to hire POC. Out of 2 people with similar experience generally the whiter person will always get hired. I've seen it happen a number of times as I am generally involved in the hiring process (I am a technical resource) but am not the one making the final decision. Maybe just some anecdotes but as a white person, if this is my experience, just imagine what it feels like for POC, and then try to tell them 'there is no such thing as systemic racism'.

Whoooolle lotta vague, meaningless conjecture going on in this post, with no specifics grounded in reality.

- White people say some really crazy things

- it is obvious hiring managers find reasons not to hire POC

- I've seen it happen a number of times

It's easy to have an attitude or an opinion when you don't objectively evaluate the basis for these opinions. Vague references to personal anecdotes aren't exactly evidence of a widespread problem.

Actually, I don't want you, me, nor anyone else brainwashed. My parents were teachers and we grew up as Democrats . I switched as the Democratic party started moving further and further Left.

"Listen to them. Talk to them...." I just told you that I live with and amongst them. They aren't as you've described. CNN nor any other msm will show you what these Trump supporters just did for POC and the poor with the aftermath of Hurricane Laura. Not here to brag about that. I voted for trump twice. I don't like how he articulates anything really, but he wasn't Hillary and the ever left moving Democratic party. I don't worship him. Neither do my Trumpkin friends and family. Looks like he will lose. So be it. Life goes on.

Fair wages? Define that. I'm with increasing minimum wage to 15$/per hour. I'm not crazy to think that it won't create a huge ripple effect. Fair working conditions? Wtf is it? But taking it at face value, yes I'm for fair working conditions. I'm for higher education help and strengthening Social security. Health care for all is a great idea. Obamacare wasn't it. And the wall. I'm for the wall solely because it pisses you guys off after the name calling and rhetoric we've heard for the last 4 years.

Your entire post proves you are 100% brainwashed by the media. You're entire assumption is that people only voted for Trump because they are racist.

You ignore the fact that Biden is a direct threat to the livelihoods of millions of people. He shipped millions of jobs overseas to China in his first 8 years as VP. He wants to kill the fossil fuel industry. He wants to give amnesty to 20 million illegal immigrants and now wants open borders. That's going to take away millions of jobs from LEGAL AMERICANS, and the lucky ones that keep their jobs are going to have lower wages.

Biden has voted in favor of every war in his political career. He is sending our sons and daughters to die in meaningless wars in the middle east. Biden has also threatened to take away guns, infringing on our second amendment rights.

All of his regulations will KILL small businesses. There's a reason big corporations love Biden - because he will KILL their small business competitors. Raising minimum wage will result in people being laid off.

It's disgusting that liberals have such disdain for Trump voters. Again, I voted Biden but I don't look down on Trump supporters. Republicans never insult democrat voters like that. It just shows that you and all the liberals are out of touch. You are arrogant snobs.

Well, I am mean this is just a running message board. I am not writing an essay. I wasn't considering taking the time to write out a bunch of examples. But to clarify, yes it was shocking to me how racist some white people are when they think there is no on in ear shot who would object to hearing their racist 'jokes' and things. Using the N word to refer to black people, making racial jokes about hispanics or Asians. To me, they are just joking. They probably have relatively few friends or people in their lives to tell them 'hey thats pretty racist'.

And yes, there has been a number of times I have sat in on interviews with POC that ultimately did not get hired, and in fact on one occasion we passed up a very qualified black guy to get this autistic white guy who ended up becoming a huge problem and eventually was forced to quit.

But this is expected, to shut someones experience down because it doesnt jive with your own thoughts and experiences. Then you can declare ' no such thing as racism blah blah blah all you have is vague references'. I am acknowledging that many people experience in life would lead to believe there isn't a problem if they haven't encountered it themselves. The least others could do is acknowledge the same.

george c wrote:

...why are Trumpers against a current party that on the surface wants fair wages and working conditions, health care for all, higher education help, social security protection, etc. versus the other side that wants......? A wall? What does Trump stand for?

Minimum wage increase will increase unemployment for the lower class. The real minimum wage is $0 an hour, once you understand the impact that minimum wage increase has on the lower class you will stop being for minimum wage.

Health care is not a right. You do not have a right to someone else's labor. There is another word for that, it is called slavery. Once you socialize health care for all you get crappy health care for all that doesn't innovate, you also get an increase in taxes to pay for it. Why is this so hard to understand.

Higher education is a choice. Why do you want to punish people for not making that choice? I had a friend who didn't go to college and decided to start a business out of high school instead and he was very successful. Why should he have to pay for all of his peers to go to college?

Do I need to go on? It's like you don't think about the consequences of things that sound good on the surface.

What does Trump stand for? The freedom to do what I want with my money and my life without the government taking things from me.

The USA is about life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Go and learn what that means. Make some friends who have been under socialism and you will better understand.

runnerguy2016 wrote:

What does Trump stand for? The freedom to do what I want with my money and my life without the government taking things from me.

You mean the confederacy? Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the confederacy was defeated. Some time ago too. Anybody who believes in what you say Trump stands for is fundamentally unAmerican.

Thanks for provide a perfect example of the modern conservative victim mindset. The US is overwhelmingly white and christian and european. Most of it's cultural history has reflected this. Thankfully, that is finally changing dramatically. Yet, people like you think it's a personal attack. I also call B.S. on the being mocked as Christian. That the the most overblown modern grievance around.

Boo-freakin-hoo. My entire adult life as a liberal (and a democrat) I've been told I'm a communist, I hate America, I should leave, I hate the troops, I hate rural areas, and finally, this year, that my vote shouldn't count. Big deal, people can be wrong about me. I suggest you grow the hell up and not worry so much about what people think.

When I'm running around. I say hi to everyone and am generally nice. I don't ask people politics. However, when chuckleheads start spouting dumb crap on a messageboard. I'll respond.

If you are that "aging" you should know the difference between the internet/media and real life by now.

Agingrunner wrote:

versus the other side that wants......? A wall? What does Trump stand for?

"Listen to them. Talk to them...." I just told you that I live with and amongst them. They aren't as you've described. CNN nor any other msm will show you what these Trump supporters just did for POC and the poor with the aftermath of Hurricane Laura. Not here to brag about that. I voted for trump twice. I don't like how he articulates anything really, but he wasn't Hillary and the ever left moving Democratic party. I don't worship him. Neither do my Trumpkin friends and family. Looks like he will lose. So be it. Life goes on.

Fair wages? Define that. I'm with increasing minimum wage to 15$/per hour. I'm not crazy to think that it won't create a huge ripple effect. Fair working conditions? Wtf is it? But taking it at face value, yes I'm for fair working conditions. I'm for higher education help and strengthening Social security. Health care for all is a great idea. Obamacare wasn't it. And the wall. I'm for the wall solely because it pisses you guys off after the name calling and rhetoric we've heard for the last 4 years.[/quote]

I will 'try' to be concise.

You & I must not talk and see the same people. And NEVER have I said those people are not worthy, contributers, etc. I believe and have seen what you say with relief. I said they are easily swayed by things other than the best interests of most people, especially themselves.

Obamacare has thrived in states that expanded. Those that didnt' had Red governors following McConnell's advise that "we can't let a democratic ideal succeed." Your reason for wanting a wall supports what you denied about Trump supporters, "just to piss you guys off...." Your colors are starting to bleed through.

earnest, I did not read what I assume is drivel. You have not made a valid point nor communicated anything that remotely brings about conversation and insight. It has been wrong 80+% of the time. Maybe someone else will indulge you.

lol. what about provide for the common defense and promote the general welfare? Your third grade understanding of economics isn't relevant here. We already pay for others healthcare via insurance. (we spread out the risk & cost)

Trump stands for he freedom of Trump to get as much of your $$ as possible.

I hate to break it to you kid but you live in a society. With that come certain financial obligations.

Let it Rupp wrote:

It's easy to have an attitude or an opinion when you or those you love have experienced it firsthand.

Fixed that crappy opinion for you.

I don't believe that people are not entitled to a working wage. The corporations record record profit after record profit, WITH THE GOVERNMENT'S HELP yet feel the working poor can figure it out. This is a major reason the middle class is all but gone. What impact are you implying? Having $ that they will inject into the economy the moment it hits their pocket? Trickle down economics is probably the largest colonoscopy to our country I have seen in my lifetime.

Health care is absolutely a right in my eyes and I have total disdain for someone who sees otherwise. What an a$$ you must be if you really believe that. AND you must be someone with health care.

No one is asking anyone other than the recipients of the 2017 tax cut for the richest 1% of our country only to pay. What a kick to the balls of our country for GOP supporters to accept that.

You can go on all you want and I will try to understand that good ideas can come from bad people, but if you really believe what you wrote you need some introspection in my eyes.

Socialism is okay when the govt $ goes to the rich and corporations? But it is only socialism when we give a poor person health care, enough wages to eat, or a homeless person a meal? Shame on you!

By the way, what does Trump stand for?

So why did you vote for him?

dafdasf wrote:

People acting like it's crazy to suspect fraud are the biggest idiots of all. Thinking these politicians, on either end, are above cheating is completely naive. And despite not caring if Trump won or not, as someone who considers himself non-partial, the way the results played out, and a lot of the claims about fraud that have come out, seem very suspicious. You need people totally outside the system to investigate. The only people I've seen who have said there is no fraud have a direct involvement in voting and the voting process.

You mean people who know what they are talking about, rather than idiots who don't?

Liberals lecturing people about victim mindsets is incredibly rich. The entire ethos of the modern Left is that "life is hard, everybody is being oppressed, I want the government to take care of me (for example, all the demands for free healthcare, free education, higher minimum wage, defund the police because they're mean and oppressive... the list goes on)

Then you go on to say that "most of US history is white and Christian, and thankfully that's changing" then in the very next sentence say "Christians aren't mocked for being christian, that's overblown." It's like you people are just out of your mind, you can't comprehend what you're saying. I honestly feel bad for you, it must suck being ran by such blind hatred and rage, of which you mask with "virtue."

This is exactly what I mean. Once the details start to unfold, the plot holes begin to show. a POC not getting hired for a job is not by itself "systemic racism." And no, some white guy getting the job over a qualified black guy isn't racism either, even if that guy ended up being an assh0le.

So recognizing the contributions of non-white people amounts to "mocking Christians"? Got it. Like I correctly stated, you see it as a personal attack.

That's says all we need to know about you.

BTW- All the stuff isn't free. You know what else isn't "free"? the cost of the military. They are societal investments. Some people feel investing in people instead of bombs & corporation is worthwhile.