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10 hours ago 07/15/2024 10:29am EDT

re: Right wing Mensa Convention

Right wing Mensa Convention wrote:
Judge Cannon just dismissed Trump's bathroom documents case.
In her ruling she cites Clarence Thomas footnote about the constitutionality of the Special Counsel appointment. Something that courts have upheld numerous times for many years.
Keep in mind that Clarence Thomas added that footnote even though it had zero relevance to the case that was before them. Nor did the government ever have any chance to address that in oral arguments because it simply had no part of the case.
Who is this Clarence Thomas? He is the guy that has been accepting millions in gifts and trips to Russia from Consvervative donors with cases before the court.. It is the guy whose wife was part of the insurrection and even wrote notes to Mark Meadows about delaying the certification of the votes. Yes! He is the guy that refused to recuse from the Jan 6th case. And he is the guy that single handedly got Trump classified documents cases dismissed today with that footnote.

this dismissal is good for America.

Cannon's decision will be reversed and then we can get a better qualified judge on the documents case. This will go in hibernation until trump leaves office, but nice to know it will be hanging over his head.

10 hours ago 07/15/2024 10:32am EDT

re: agip

agip wrote:
Right wing Mensa Convention wrote:
Judge Cannon just dismissed Trump's bathroom documents case.
In her ruling she cites Clarence Thomas footnote about the constitutionality of the Special Counsel appointment. Something that courts have upheld numerous times for many years.
Keep in mind that Clarence Thomas added that footnote even though it had zero relevance to the case that was before them. Nor did the government ever have any chance to address that in oral arguments because it simply had no part of the case.
Who is this Clarence Thomas? He is the guy that has been accepting millions in gifts and trips to Russia from Consvervative donors with cases before the court.. It is the guy whose wife was part of the insurrection and even wrote notes to Mark Meadows about delaying the certification of the votes. Yes! He is the guy that refused to recuse from the Jan 6th case. And he is the guy that single handedly got Trump classified documents cases dismissed today with that footnote.
this dismissal is good for America.
Cannon's decision will be reversed and then we can get a better qualified judge on the documents case. This will go in hibernation until trump leaves office, but nice to know it will be hanging over his head.

It is good for American for a couple of reasons...

1. Clarence Thomas and Judge Cannon are totally exposed as biased. Both are supposed to be unbiased jurists.

2. The American people deserved for this case with its damning evidence to be heard. If Judge Cannon remained on the case that would have NEVER, EVER happened. At least now there is a chance.

3. Judge Cannon will be humiliated in legal circles and receive yet another appellate beat down.

9 hours ago 07/15/2024 10:39am EDT

re: agip

agip wrote:
this dismissal is good for America.
Cannon's decision will be reversed and then we can get a better qualified judge on the documents case. This will go in hibernation until trump leaves office, but nice to know it will be hanging over his head.

Obviously she never belonged on the case and was never going to allow it to move forward.

Still, I'm not sure I follow your thinking on this one. If he doesn't manage to remain POTUS for the rest of his life, Trump will just pardon himself for any and all crimes and, if challenged, the SCOTUS will back him up on the legitimacy of such a pardon

9 hours ago 07/15/2024 10:43am EDT

re: Real Obvi

Real Obvi wrote:
agip wrote:
this dismissal is good for America.
Cannon's decision will be reversed and then we can get a better qualified judge on the documents case. This will go in hibernation until trump leaves office, but nice to know it will be hanging over his head.
Obviously she never belonged on the case and was never going to allow it to move forward.
Still, I'm not sure I follow your thinking on this one. If he doesn't manage to remain POTUS for the rest of his life, Trump will just pardon himself for any and all crimes and, if challenged, the SCOTUS will back him up on the legitimacy of such a pardon

Which crimes would he need to pardon himself for?

9 hours ago 07/15/2024 10:47am EDT

re: Real Obvi

Real Obvi wrote:
agip wrote:
this dismissal is good for America.
Cannon's decision will be reversed and then we can get a better qualified judge on the documents case. This will go in hibernation until trump leaves office, but nice to know it will be hanging over his head.
Obviously she never belonged on the case and was never going to allow it to move forward.
Still, I'm not sure I follow your thinking on this one. If he doesn't manage to remain POTUS for the rest of his life, Trump will just pardon himself for any and all crimes and, if challenged, the SCOTUS will back him up on the legitimacy of such a pardon

yeah if a self-pardon survives the courts then trump will skate again.

or if he succeeds in his written wish to terminate the constitution, sure.

Or if another R wins in 2028 that president will pardon him, sure.

I guess my scenario only works if he can't self-pardon and a D wins and takes office in 2028.

9 hours ago 07/15/2024 10:48am EDT

re: Sally Vix

Has anyone ever had a better last few weeks than Trump? Supreme Court rules for immunity, his classified documents case dismissed and he survives an assassination attempt. AND his DJT stock up 30%. The guy is blessed.

9 hours ago 07/15/2024 10:51am EDT

re: agip

actually never mind... if trump wins the election he will just order the DOJ to drop the prosecutions completely. No self-pardon needed.

Not clear to me if the DOJ could take it up again in 2029 if a Dem wins and successfully takes office.

Also, not a great setup to have a mobster like trump know that if he leaves office he'll face prosecution. That's an incentive for him to NOT leave office. But we are a nation of laws and have to try to enforce them.

9 hours ago 07/15/2024 10:52am EDT

re: Sally Vix

Sally Vix wrote:
Has anyone ever had a better last few weeks than Trump? Supreme Court rules for immunity, his classified documents case dismissed and he survives an assassination attempt. AND his DJT stock up 30%. The guy is blessed.

he is the luckiest sob ever born. Been openly committing crimes for a half century, survives a head wound, gets away with all his recent crime but a bookkeeping case that will go in hibernation in January...

just amazing. this nation is cursed by him.

9 hours ago 07/15/2024 10:53am EDT

re: agip

agip wrote:
actually never mind... if trump wins the election he will just order the DOJ to drop the prosecutions completely. No self-pardon needed.
Not clear to me if the DOJ could take it up again in 2029 if a Dem wins and successfully takes office.
Also, not a great setup to have a mobster like trump know that if he leaves office he'll face prosecution. That's an incentive for him to NOT leave office. But we are a nation of laws and have to try to enforce them.

Agip, what do you think this country is going to look like in 2029 after another Trump term? Game over for democracy brother.

9 hours ago 07/15/2024 10:55am EDT

re: agip

agip wrote:
actually never mind... if trump wins the election he will just order the DOJ to drop the prosecutions completely. No self-pardon needed.
Not clear to me if the DOJ could take it up again in 2029 if a Dem wins and successfully takes office.
Also, not a great setup to have a mobster like trump know that if he leaves office he'll face prosecution. That's an incentive for him to NOT leave office. But we are a nation of laws and have to try to enforce them.

By then most of his cases will have run out due to the statute of limitations. Fraud, for instance, has a statute of limitations of 2 to 4 years under the Securities Exchange Act.

9 hours ago 07/15/2024 10:59am EDT

re: agip

agip wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Has anyone ever had a better last few weeks than Trump? Supreme Court rules for immunity, his classified documents case dismissed and he survives an assassination attempt. AND his DJT stock up 30%. The guy is blessed.
he is the luckiest sob ever born. Been openly committing crimes for a half century, survives a head wound, gets away with all his recent crime but a bookkeeping case that will go in hibernation in January...
just amazing. this nation is cursed by him.

Incorrect. Trump just happens to be most glaring symptom and product of many political and institutional weaknesses and failures. Different rules for the rich and powerful, undeterred political corruption, no ethics in media, a vastly undereducated population... it has all been laid more bare this time around. Sure, he has grabbed the opportunity to help himself even more and is accelerating the demise of this country, but ultimately the environment was going to allow for a Trump to come along and do this.

9 hours ago 07/15/2024 11:00am EDT

re: Sally Vix

Sally Vix wrote:
agip wrote:
actually never mind... if trump wins the election he will just order the DOJ to drop the prosecutions completely. No self-pardon needed.
Not clear to me if the DOJ could take it up again in 2029 if a Dem wins and successfully takes office.
Also, not a great setup to have a mobster like trump know that if he leaves office he'll face prosecution. That's an incentive for him to NOT leave office. But we are a nation of laws and have to try to enforce them.
By then most of his cases will have run out due to the statute of limitations. Fraud, for instance, has a statute of limitations of 2 to 4 years under the Securities Exchange Act.

It excites you doesn't it?

9 hours ago 07/15/2024 11:03am EDT

re: Trollminator

Trollminator wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
By then most of his cases will have run out due to the statute of limitations. Fraud, for instance, has a statute of limitations of 2 to 4 years under the Securities Exchange Act.
It excites you doesn't it?

Not at all. I stated matter-of-factly. I am a law and order guy.

9 hours ago 07/15/2024 11:05am EDT

re: Trollminator

The reality that we have before us is this..

The Scotus has made prosecuting a president almost an impossibility ever again. For anything. People focus on the "official acts" as well as the outside perimeter acts. But the kiss of death for ever prosecuting a president is found in the deranged and off the wall ruling that nobody can ever introduce any evidence into a trial that could ever question a President's motives for doing anything! Nor any communication with anyone around him. it defies logic and goes contrary to the constitution.

What prosecutor would possibly bring any case with those hands tied?

The SCOTUS has created a lawless zone around one person in this country. It is exactly what Putin and his lawmakers have.

9 hours ago 07/15/2024 11:06am EDT

re: Right wing Mensa Convention

Right wing Mensa Convention wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Priorities:
Trump: “Let me get my shoes, let me get my shoes.”
Male agent: “I got you sir, I got you sir.”
Trump: “Let me get my shoes.”
Another male agent: “Hold on, your head is bloody.”
Male agent: “Sir, we’ve got to move to the car sir.”
Trump: “Let me get my shoes.”
Female agent says, “OK,” before saying something about the shoe.
Trump: “Wait, wait, wait.” He then fist pumps to the crowd. He mouths “fight” three times — a move met with cheers by the crowd.
Some point to this as proof of some type of staging of the event. I disagree.
Instead, this reveals how deep Trump's cluster B Narcissism runs. He simply does not think like other human beings. He is a psychopath. Even at that dangerous moment, his mind is on is image and his fragile ego needs to be soothed. He must hear applause. It sustains his self worth. It is the drug he can't be removed from.
But is is a dereliction of duty that secret service sits there and humors this big buffoon at this time while he frets about his shoes. Their protocol is to literally pummel him if needed to remove him from danger.

It's fkn sad isn't it? The vast resources and energy being sunk into that black hole of a man, who on top of it all trashes America every day, lies every time he opens his mouth, and pretty much violates every value that used to be considered American. Could you imagine being duty bound to take a bullet for a POS like that?

9 hours ago 07/15/2024 11:10am EDT

re: Sally Vix

Sally Vix wrote:
agip wrote:
actually never mind... if trump wins the election he will just order the DOJ to drop the prosecutions completely. No self-pardon needed.
Not clear to me if the DOJ could take it up again in 2029 if a Dem wins and successfully takes office.
Also, not a great setup to have a mobster like trump know that if he leaves office he'll face prosecution. That's an incentive for him to NOT leave office. But we are a nation of laws and have to try to enforce them.
By then most of his cases will have run out due to the statute of limitations. Fraud, for instance, has a statute of limitations of 2 to 4 years under the Securities Exchange Act.

my understanding is that statute of limitations would freeze during his presidency.

9 hours ago 07/15/2024 11:10am EDT

re: Trollminator

Trollminator wrote:
Right wing Mensa Convention wrote:
Some point to this as proof of some type of staging of the event. I disagree.
Instead, this reveals how deep Trump's cluster B Narcissism runs. He simply does not think like other human beings. He is a psychopath. Even at that dangerous moment, his mind is on is image and his fragile ego needs to be soothed. He must hear applause. It sustains his self worth. It is the drug he can't be removed from.
But is is a dereliction of duty that secret service sits there and humors this big buffoon at this time while he frets about his shoes. Their protocol is to literally pummel him if needed to remove him from danger.
It's fkn sad isn't it? The vast resources and energy being sunk into that black hole of a man, who on top of it all trashes America every day, lies every time he opens his mouth, and pretty much violates every value that used to be considered American. Could you imagine being duty bound to take a bullet for a POS like that?

it's like Russian soldiers being told to go in meat waves against Ukraine for Putin. Sickening.

9 hours ago 07/15/2024 11:10am EDT

re: Right wing Mensa Convention

Right wing Mensa Convention wrote:
The reality that we have before us is this..
The Scotus has made prosecuting a president almost an impossibility ever again. For anything. People focus on the "official acts" as well as the outside perimeter acts. But the kiss of death for ever prosecuting a president is found in the deranged and off the wall ruling that nobody can ever introduce any evidence into a trial that could ever question a President's motives for doing anything! Nor any communication with anyone around him. it defies logic and goes contrary to the constitution.
What prosecutor would possibly bring any case with those hands tied?
The SCOTUS has created a lawless zone around one person in this country. It is exactly what Putin and his lawmakers have.

Incorrect my friend. Since we will have a conservative Supreme Court for decades to come, short of some miracle, they will absolutely rewrite the law of the land again as needed to allow for the prosecution of a D president to happen. That and my political leaning aside, the SCOTUS has created a massive incentive for presidential lawlessness. No democratic country can survive that.

9 hours ago 07/15/2024 11:11am EDT

re: Sally Vix

Sally Vix wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
It excites you doesn't it?
Not at all. I stated matter-of-factly. I am a law and order guy.

good lord man you are a lot of things but you can't possibly be a law and order guy AND vote for DJT. Utterly in opposition.

9 hours ago 07/15/2024 11:13am EDT

re: Trollminator

Trollminator wrote:
agip wrote:
he is the luckiest sob ever born. Been openly committing crimes for a half century, survives a head wound, gets away with all his recent crime but a bookkeeping case that will go in hibernation in January...
just amazing. this nation is cursed by him.
Incorrect. Trump just happens to be most glaring symptom and product of many political and institutional weaknesses and failures. Different rules for the rich and powerful, undeterred political corruption, no ethics in media, a vastly undereducated population... it has all been laid more bare this time around. Sure, he has grabbed the opportunity to help himself even more and is accelerating the demise of this country, but ultimately the environment was going to allow for a Trump to come along and do this.

I would go further than weakness and failures of institutions and suggest we have sound proof of corruption of institutions by big money. Look at Bill Bar. All these guys have long histories of being involved in Top level government corruption. His dates back to Iran Contra. Look at Steve Mnuchin too. These guys fail upward.

Bill Bar went from telling us Trump is unfit and a danger to now saying that Democrats need to stop saying Trump is a threat to democracy because he isn't. And he has his vote.

This is the guy that Trump (essentially )fired because he told him there was not election changing fraud. Now he is fully back in the Trump camp because he thinks that is where the money nd power will be.

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