This thread was originally titled, "Incredible development in the $612,000 Transcon Goodge run, currently ongoing" but the new title is more descriptive. The description of the run is here.
I don't know why you guys don't just accuse Goodge of taking testosterone and other PEDs with the hunky muscles he has instead of wild convoluted conspiracy theories of a twin running. Do you guys need me to give you the accusations you should use?
Cos T wouldn't explain the dodgy heart rate and pacing
Remember when you are reading Will C's "report" that is has been written from the jump with an accusation of fraud. Nothing he has written about Will G has been objective, but slanderous. It will be nothing more than an Op-ed to attempt to confirm his opinions and his analaysis.
You seem suspiciously invested in this
You know you are the second person on this to say that. I am a believer in building up rather than tearing down.
Never in my life have I jumped onto something like this. I don't know Will G or Robbie from Batman and Robin. Here is why I am invested in this, and will continue to question every unfounded, witch-hunt driven statement: People on this feed and on Will C's FB page are calling Will G a fraud based on one person's opinion. That opinion was based on his belief that because Will G does not have a background in multi-day running and is not doing things the way he (WC) thinks should be done. He is then using one statistic, HR, as his entire basis. WC made his videos look as if he were there for multiple days, rather than the 1.5 he know states. WC claims that a rock was thrown at his car...does he have a video of it? If not, must be fake based on same principles.
I believe in people...I do not go to the negative belief unless it is proven and factual, not opinion and slander. Just because WG did not do things they way WC wanted it done, or follow some rulebook...that doesn't exist, he is trying to destroy someone.
I also believe in doing something bigger than yourself. What WG is doing to raise awareness and money for Cancer research on both sides of the pond is amazing. Then, for WC to claim there is fraud in that just because he is using a very reputable site GoFundMe but not the ones WC thinks should be used
So, call me suspicious if you'd like. But I am going to defend 'innocent unless proven guilty' rather than this feed's push towards 'guilty unless proven innocent' I don't think that was and truly hope in my life that I never turn to that dark thought process.
I’d respond the way “RossiCheated” suggested on the previous page of this thread:
If you are claiming to pursue a record of this nature, you should be: Posting all of the data from the watch Posting your route, where you currently are (up to the minute GPS), where you are heading for the day Welcoming anyone and everyone to come out, at any time, to cheer you on as you run by Welcoming anyone out to run behind you Welcome to have anyone follow along for as long as they please to verify that you are running, and encouraging them to video record whatever they want More than happy to have an observer with no relation to you or your team embedded in the team to record everything they see If you really are pursing this record and think you have a chance at it, you want all the eyes on you possible, to verify that you did it, to quiet the doubters, and so on.
This is the real answer here. No excuse really, to not have every single step recorded and available for anyone to watch
It’s honestly bizarre how identical this is to the Rob Young saga.
Half-assed attempt at documenting the real running that leaves ample room for fudging it. Afraid of people asking questions. Hostile to people that want to witness it. Message board defenders. Brand sponsorship. All social media fluff. Charity. British guy.
Didn’t LRC have stuff on the front page once the Rob Young reached a tipping point? Too bad this story hasn’t reached that point yet.
Are you telling me that every runner who have done an event like this has had a live tracker on them for every step? And, if they didn't, it shouldn't be considered completed?
I will have to look up the Rob Young story. Sorry I don't know it. I am following this guy, at this time in life, and seeing what he is accomplishing. On the "witnessing it" front, WC was thee for 1.5 days. If someone on here believes so firmly that this is fraud, why aren't they following him in a car every day until the end? Because it is much easier to be a keyboard warrior and claim fraud. I'm disappointed in the humanity of this.
Because they don't have to defend against people slinging mud. They have a journey they are attempting to complete. Because because someone says you are doing something does not mean you have to waste your valuable time and energy to defend.
I have absolutely no dog in this fight. I appreciate and respect anyone who attempts something like this. No way in hell I'd ever want to brave the elements for that many days to take take on this kind of challenge.
That said, this guy has made some big statements. Going for the record, etc. Moreover, he's relying on the good will of people in the form of charitable donations to do it. Accordingly, he should be held accountable. If called out on something, he absolutely should offer evidence rebutting claims of impropriety. Further, what is his team doing in that RV for days on end? He's got multiple people supporting him on location. Surely one of them could devote some time to honestly and effectively addressing valid concerns that have been raised.
Yes, he does have a crew. I don't pretend to know what they all do during the day. Perhaps if Will C would have come at this in a more professional manner himself, they both could have been on better footing. But, when he comes out swinging saying the HR is bad, it must be a fraud, he must be stealing the money, and on and on, I'm not surprised they aren't going to give him the time of day. I don't have a dog in this fight either, except I don't like people calling someone names, like fraud or a fake, just because he isn't doing it the way they think it should be done.
From the get go this reeked of something. Goodge doesn't look the part of someone who will run across America. Don't let your first impressions fool you.
Wait a minute...there is now "a look" of some who would run across America?? Please describe this look? That is downright rude to say someone doesn't look the way you think they should!
I also believe in doing something bigger than yourself. What WG is doing to raise awareness and money for Cancer research on both sides of the pond is amazing. Then, for WC to claim there is fraud in that just because he is using a very reputable site GoFundMe but not the ones WC thinks should be used
A) This guy has published claims that are not credible (i.e., he's a "world record holder");
B) This guy has made a claim that he is going for a "record" in this feat;
C) This guy has not been forthcoming, and has even been hostile when challenged to verify his current attempt. Technology makes it effortless to verify and document the attempt and he's refusing to implement proper protocols to verify what he's doing;
D) This guy is raising money through a third party donation site which raises serious concerns about how that money will actually be allocated.
I have absolutely no dog in this fight. I appreciate and respect anyone who attempts something like this. No way in hell I'd ever want to brave the elements for that many days to take take on this kind of challenge.
That said, this guy has made some big statements. Going for the record, etc. Moreover, he's relying on the good will of people in the form of charitable donations to do it. Accordingly, he should be held accountable. If called out on something, he absolutely should offer evidence rebutting claims of impropriety. Further, what is his team doing in that RV for days on end? He's got multiple people supporting him on location. Surely one of them could devote some time to honestly and effectively addressing valid concerns that have been raised.
Yes, he does have a crew.
What's up with Goodge and Paulson being "crewed" by twin, fill-in ultrarunners anyway? Why are they even in his RV to leave open the possibility of muling? Couldn't they find some NuCalm employee to post to social media, verify his data, and make his food for him?
Are you telling me that every runner who have done an event like this has had a live tracker on them for every step? And, if they didn't, it shouldn't be considered completed?
I will have to look up the Rob Young story. Sorry I don't know it. I am following this guy, at this time in life, and seeing what he is accomplishing. On the "witnessing it" front, WC was thee for 1.5 days. If someone on here believes so firmly that this is fraud, why aren't they following him in a car every day until the end? Because it is much easier to be a keyboard warrior and claim fraud. I'm disappointed in the humanity of this.
LOL, you've been registered on letsrun since 2013 and you're "disappointed in the humanity of this". Pull the other one.
I think most people here agree a valid question has been raised and that the response of team goodge has made things worse
on his own terms, maybe will goodge is doing fine. loads of soft in the head followers on social media, takes a nice photo, seems to be living an easy life and doing plenty of travelling.
however he undoubtedly looks a total wally for how he's responded to being questioned, he's absolutely making fatuous claims with regard to "world records" and so on, and you're a mug if you don't think nucalm is pseudoscientific nonsense.
this deflection about other record holders is laughable, come on.
Why would you call people names like "soft in the head"?
I'll ask this question directly to you...if someone called you a fraud, a cheat, and were doing something criminal, how would you respond?? Would you be "golly gee, I sure wish you wouldn't say mean things like that about me. Let's sit down and I'll explain what I'm doing until you feel completely comfortable with it." Most people would be a little more irate than that! In the video, Will C literally said "I believe what you are doing is fraudulent" (or something in that tone). Are you saying you wouldn't go off the handle??
I'm not the one with the World Record Holder issue stuck up their $&@*(@$. My main beef with all of these negative comments and statements of fraud are they are based on WC's HR thoughts. Show me SOMETHING that PROVES he is NOT doing every step? Don't give me opinion...don't give me "if it walks like a duck"...don't give me "he hasn't done anything like this before"...give me an actual FACT. If you can, then I will get off my "high horse" belief in the good in people.
Has anyone looked at Balenger's data for his efforts. From what I've read, his stuff has been legit. No point in speculating I suppose, but I wonder why he (and multiple filmmakers) would knowingly get involved with this whole thing if it is indeed a sham. Bizarre
You are exactly right. There are too many people that have too much to lose for this to be a sham.
You are correct, I don't see him on Guinness's search. Do we know if he submitted it?
What do you mean by 3.39 marathons as a world record? I apologize because I don' know what that means.
What does that matter? You're just trying to muddy the water again. He's not the world record holder. He's claiming false credentials.
Sincerely,
diamondhands
The 2.788 Marathon World Record Holder
So now I can't ask an honest question "does anyone know if he submitted it?" Has anyone ever run 48 marathons in 30 days? Has anyone else claimed that as a record? I don't know the answer to that. Unlike some on this feed, they aren't willing to admit when they don't know something. I am.
This might be one of the first FACTUAL statements said in this entire feed: the water was WAY TOO MUDDY when I got here. I am simply trying to defend good instead of negative opinion
Show me SOMETHING that PROVES he is NOT doing every step? Don't give me opinion...don't give me "if it walks like a duck"...don't give me "he hasn't done anything like this before"...give me an actual FACT.
So you (a) demand concrete, verifiable proof of cheating, but (b) criticize the guy who tried to obtain that evidence. I guess the only way of demonstrating wrongdoing in your world is for the perpetrator to voluntarily publish a confession.
This is the real answer here. No excuse really, to not have every single step recorded and available for anyone to watch
It’s honestly bizarre how identical this is to the Rob Young saga.
Half-assed attempt at documenting the real running that leaves ample room for fudging it. Afraid of people asking questions. Hostile to people that want to witness it. Message board defenders. Brand sponsorship. All social media fluff. Charity. British guy.
Didn’t LRC have stuff on the front page once the Rob Young reached a tipping point? Too bad this story hasn’t reached that point yet.
Are you telling me that every runner who have done an event like this has had a live tracker on them for every step? And, if they didn't, it shouldn't be considered completed?
I will have to look up the Rob Young story. Sorry I don't know it. I am following this guy, at this time in life, and seeing what he is accomplishing. On the "witnessing it" front, WC was thee for 1.5 days. If someone on here believes so firmly that this is fraud, why aren't they following him in a car every day until the end? Because it is much easier to be a keyboard warrior and claim fraud. I'm disappointed in the humanity of this.
The burden of proof for someone claiming to do something extraordinary is on the person making the claim.
I’ll give you this - I watched his latest YouTube video and am more convinced that they are doing it. But I don’t know why they wouldn’t just film all of his sessions. They obviously have the equipment and know-how.
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Nobody has a dog in this fight. We are all spectators giving our opinions on the data that Will is voluntarily putting into the public each day. . Will and his team are heavily marketing this transcon to make money so they should welcome all viewers opinions.
Marketing literally means they want people to talk about it. Stop being babies over negative coverage.
I also believe in doing something bigger than yourself. What WG is doing to raise awareness and money for Cancer research on both sides of the pond is amazing. Then, for WC to claim there is fraud in that just because he is using a very reputable site GoFundMe but not the ones WC thinks should be used
A) This guy has published claims that are not credible (i.e., he's a "world record holder");
B) This guy has made a claim that he is going for a "record" in this feat;
C) This guy has not been forthcoming, and has even been hostile when challenged to verify his current attempt. Technology makes it effortless to verify and document the attempt and he's refusing to implement proper protocols to verify what he's doing;
D) This guy is raising money through a third party donation site which raises serious concerns about how that money will actually be allocated.
I won't even comment on A-C because that would be beating a dead horse in my beliefs as I've made my points on those over and over again. But, I will adamantly battle on (D). How, on earth, are there "serious concerns" about how that money will be allocated? Do you know how much money has been raised on that third party site? More than $3billion! The dude is in the middle of his trek across America. What is the reason from anyone who has made a 'concerned' statement about how the money is going to be allocated...when the even isn't over yet? Basically you are saying "there must be something funny going on" before you even know. Again, 'guilty until proven innocent' is not how normal/rational human being should act. If, after the event is over, and you contact the two Cancer Research groups and find out something wacky is done, then bring it up. Don't go an accuse someone of doing something wrong...that is just rude and nasty. Will C went that route claiming he was going to report them to Scottland Yard...say what?? That is slander right there. Why can't you believe in the good in people, and IF they do something wrong THEN battle them. Have you once thought "A lot of good is coming from what Will G is doing? His donations might help FIGHT cancer"?
Are you telling me that every runner who have done an event like this has had a live tracker on them for every step? And, if they didn't, it shouldn't be considered completed?
I will have to look up the Rob Young story. Sorry I don't know it. I am following this guy, at this time in life, and seeing what he is accomplishing. On the "witnessing it" front, WC was thee for 1.5 days. If someone on here believes so firmly that this is fraud, why aren't they following him in a car every day until the end? Because it is much easier to be a keyboard warrior and claim fraud. I'm disappointed in the humanity of this.
LOL, you've been registered on letsrun since 2013 and you're "disappointed in the humanity of this". Pull the other one.
I think most people here agree a valid question has been raised and that the response of team goodge has made things worse
Defo go read the Rob Young thread
I'm honored you looked up by reg date :) Yea, there is far too much negativity on here. I didn't come to this thread until someone posted something nasty on one of WG's strava days and it was mentioned there was a LR thread. My life would probably be better off staying off here, but I will fight for the possibility of good, rather than the spewing of negativity. It is just how I'm wired. While there has been a minority of people who have raised questions in a non-derogatory manner, unfortunately the majority have taken the opinions of a few, someone's opinion-based analysis of HR based on what they believe the body can do, and run down the dark rabbit hole of fraud and fake.
What does that matter? You're just trying to muddy the water again. He's not the world record holder. He's claiming false credentials.
Sincerely,
diamondhands
The 2.788 Marathon World Record Holder
So now I can't ask an honest question "does anyone know if he submitted it?" Has anyone ever run 48 marathons in 30 days? Has anyone else claimed that as a record? I don't know the answer to that. Unlike some on this feed, they aren't willing to admit when they don't know something. I am.
This might be one of the first FACTUAL statements said in this entire feed: the water was WAY TOO MUDDY when I got here. I am simply trying to defend good instead of negative opinion
Let me google it for you.
"Ricardo Abad Martínez (Tafalla, January 8, 1971) is a Spanish ultrarunner. He holds the world record for consecutive marathons run on consecutive days, 607."
But of course, he can't claim world record for 48 marathons run in a row because 607 obviously is not 48.
Show me SOMETHING that PROVES he is NOT doing every step? Don't give me opinion...don't give me "if it walks like a duck"...don't give me "he hasn't done anything like this before"...give me an actual FACT.
So you (a) demand concrete, verifiable proof of cheating, but (b) criticize the guy who tried to obtain that evidence. I guess the only way of demonstrating wrongdoing in your world is for the perpetrator to voluntarily publish a confession.
The guy who tried to obtain it went at it in an accusatory way. Emailing them in advance telling them they won't be able to do it...challenging everything about the run, threatening their sponsors, threatening to call Scotland Yard (that one still makes me chuckle). If you were in their shoes, would you be welcoming to someone like that?
on his own terms, maybe will goodge is doing fine. loads of soft in the head followers on social media, takes a nice photo, seems to be living an easy life and doing plenty of travelling.
however he undoubtedly looks a total wally for how he's responded to being questioned, he's absolutely making fatuous claims with regard to "world records" and so on, and you're a mug if you don't think nucalm is pseudoscientific nonsense.
this deflection about other record holders is laughable, come on.
Why would you call people names like "soft in the head"?
I'll ask this question directly to you...if someone called you a fraud, a cheat, and were doing something criminal, how would you respond?? Would you be "golly gee, I sure wish you wouldn't say mean things like that about me. Let's sit down and I'll explain what I'm doing until you feel completely comfortable with it." Most people would be a little more irate than that! In the video, Will C literally said "I believe what you are doing is fraudulent" (or something in that tone). Are you saying you wouldn't go off the handle??
if i was doing a two month jogging holiday and someone said i wasn't doing all the purported jogging , i'd just get on with the jogging; they'd be welcome to watch the thrilling sight of me giving myself another stress fracture in real time. also i've got the distance running bona fides such that i don't think i'd raise as many eyebrows. i've also never called myself a world record holder or the fastest englishman. (because i'm not.)
some people are soft in the head when it comes to people on the internet who they think are their friends. don't worry, i'm old and ugly enough to take it if you want to outline my shortcomings, god knows i've got plenty of them.
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