Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Sally Vix wrote:

Finally a good post wrote:

Thank you for this genuine post. So do you think that because he is our president we cannot complain and demand better? If you do not easily understand why people are so angry and depressed with someone like him at the helm, then you really have to ask yourself what values you stand for.

You also dodged making a judgement on him as a president. You say he’s horrible but you don’t go as far as saying he’s horrible FOR THE COUNTRY. So which is it? Forget what the MSM are saying and how liberals are reacting, do you think he’s doing a fine job and with the best interests of the country in mind?

He is a horrible person. I do not think he is horrible for the country. I really wish we could all work together to make the country better but that is not going to happen because both sides are so entrenched and will never work with the other side. The Dem candidates have become so far to the right that they are all for giving health insurance to illegals, opening the borders, etc., etc. The country can't afford that. My insurance premiums are $25,000 and I am going to have to pay health coverage for illegals here ILLEGALLY? AOC's New Green Plan will cost 90 trillion. Do you want to pay for that? Because I can't. Let's get some level-headed thinking back into our discourse. The Dem candidates are nut jobs.

You dont get it wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

He is a horrible person. I do not think he is horrible for the country. I really wish we could all work together to make the country better but that is not going to happen because both sides are so entrenched and will never work with the other side. The Dem candidates have become so far to the right that they are all for giving health insurance to illegals, opening the borders, etc., etc. The country can't afford that. My insurance premiums are $25,000 and I am going to have to pay health coverage for illegals here ILLEGALLY? AOC's New Green Plan will cost 90 trillion. Do you want to pay for that? Because I can't. Let's get some level-headed thinking back into our discourse. The Dem candidates are nut jobs.

Again you omit any of Trump’s destructive actions and the fact that his main tactic has been to divide the country, instead you just point to some extreme liberals ideas that are totally unlikely to come to life. You won’t respond to this but I’m just pointing out your bias and hypocrisy.

On healthcare - I hope you do understand that one way or another we are all paying for each other’s health expenses, whether you are insured, uninsured, American or foreigner. So since we can’t run away from those costs anyway, isn’t it better to give people coverage so they can be healthier and not need to pass an expensive emergency care bill to all taxpayers? Why do trumpers pretend it’s a choice to foot the bill? The two options are we either pay more when people rush to hospitals and need urgent care, or we pay high premiums now to ensure they have access to preventive care and relieve higher costs in the future. Is this so difficult to comprehend?

agip wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

That is a lie, agip. He specifically corrected the mantra that Trump would have been indicted if not a sitting president. Please corret that.

No idea what facts you are using. Maybe we are agreeing but saying things in different ways.

Here's the Mueller clarifying quote. Mueller is clearly saying he did not make a decision one way or the other.

“I want to add one correction to my testimony this morning," Mueller said. "I want to go back to one thing that was said this morning by Mr. Lieu, who said and I quote, ‘You didn’t charge the President because of the OLC opinion. That is not the correct way to say it. As we say in the report and as I said at the opening, we did not reach a determination as to whether the President committed a crime.”

Mueller did not make any decision on whether Trump committed a crime.

So we can rely on the letter from hundreds and hundreds of former federal prosecutors. They say that but for the DOJ policy Trump would have been indicted.

Sally Vix wrote:

agip wrote:

No idea what facts you are using. Maybe we are agreeing but saying things in different ways.

Here's the Mueller clarifying quote. Mueller is clearly saying he did not make a decision one way or the other.

“I want to add one correction to my testimony this morning," Mueller said. "I want to go back to one thing that was said this morning by Mr. Lieu, who said and I quote, ‘You didn’t charge the President because of the OLC opinion. That is not the correct way to say it. As we say in the report and as I said at the opening, we did not reach a determination as to whether the President committed a crime.”

Mueller did not make any decision on whether Trump committed a crime.

So we can rely on the letter from hundreds and hundreds of former federal prosecutors. They say that but for the DOJ policy Trump would have been indicted.

Mueller said that Trump would have been indicted if not a sitting president was a lie. I can clarify if you want but he said that. He specifically said that to correct what Nadler had said concerning Mueller's testimory with Lieu. Please don't make me go back and find this. just trust me.

Sally Vix wrote:

kibitzer wrote:

See, stuff like this is why some of us think Sally is just a very accomplished troll.

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After *multiple* previous posts, reminding everyone that a Congressperson doesn't directly govern his/her district, Sally just recycles the same tired shit.

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Oh, and definitely no retraction or apology on this, or the "neutral country" falsehood above. Nope, Sally just moves on to the next lie. You can see why Donald Trump would be Sally's ideal president.

Trump is hardly my ideal president. He is a very flawed person. Tragically and loathsomely so. His treatment of women in the past is disgusting, and that is an understatement. Let's highlight that. BUT, he has been an effective president and what he does to you Liberals, basically drive you NUTS, just fascinates me. The media and liberals have been working 24/7 for 2-and-a-half years now to overturn but, alas, to no avail. And it drives you all to derangement. His tweets are so unbecoming of a US president but he has used them effectively as well. You on the left are just beside yourselves having the Donald in the White House. You all are certainly deranged. His hair is terrible. His tweets are terrible. His speeches are terrible. His manners are terrible. But, he is YOUR president and mine.

kibitzer wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

Trump is hardly my ideal president. He is a very flawed person. Tragically and loathsomely so. His treatment of women in the past is disgusting, and that is an understatement. Let's highlight that. BUT, he has been an effective president and what he does to you Liberals, basically drive you NUTS, just fascinates me. The media and liberals have been working 24/7 for 2-and-a-half years now to overturn but, alas, to no avail. And it drives you all to derangement. His tweets are so unbecoming of a US president but he has used them effectively as well. You on the left are just beside yourselves having the Donald in the White House. You all are certainly deranged. His hair is terrible. His tweets are terrible. His speeches are terrible. His manners are terrible. But, he is YOUR president and mine.

1) Notice that, precisely as I predicted, Sally has made multiple responses to my post but failed to make an apology or retraction for falsely implying that a) Elijah Cummings governed his district, and b) some kind of "first neutral country" doctrine governs claims for asylum. (What does "neutral country" even mean in that context?)

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2) I've been a voter for nearly half a century and never once pulled the Dem lever for any office in any election. "Liberal," my ass . . . I'm just that strange kind of person who wants to see a decent human being in the Oval Office.

. . . Because this country is *safer* when led by a decent human being whom our allies and trading partners can rely on for consistency, and who can send *consistent* messages to the governments and other parties that wish us ill. THAT is "effective" governing.

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3) On more than one occasion I have pointed out not only that Donald Trump is the president of all American citizens (and legal residents), but that he won the election fair and square: He got more votes in the Electoral College and that is how the game is played, PERIOD. What *I* find fascinating is that Trumpists seem to think that DJT should be immune to protest and disagreement with his current policies and actions.

And what they *really* seem to mean, when they say Trump is every American's president, is "Our guy won! Nanny-nanny-woo-woo! We won and you suck!" For them, literally the highest point of this administration took place before Trump was even sworn in: the evening of the first Tuesday after the first Monday of November 2016. THEY'RE the ones who can't "let it go and move on" (to borrow their language); the people who are protesting, I've noticed, are protesting what's going on NOW.

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

formerly present wrote:

Please name two Democratic candidates who are on record as *actually* favoring "open borders." A link would be great, too.

Thanks!

You are either too lazy or too scared to "Google it" because at least 10 candidates raised their hands to allow illegal aliens to cross the border w/o documentation. You lose.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2019/06/27/open-borders-democrats-n2549103

"Julian Castro, who pushed the candidates to the left to repeal " Section 1325 of the Immigration and Nationality Act, which makes it a federal offense to cross or attempt to cross the U.S. border “at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers.”- that is a defacto open border

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/byron-york-in-debates-democrats-move-toward-open-borders

Raise your hand if you think it should be a civil offense, rather than a crime, to cross the border without documentation," said NBC's José Díaz-Balart.

All 10 candidates — Biden, Sanders, Buttigieg, Harris, Gillibrand, Bennet, Swalwell, Hickenlooper, Yang, Williamson — raised their hands in approval. That moment was perhaps the Democratic Party's most significant step yet toward embracing a policy of open borders.

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

formerly present wrote:

Please name two Democratic candidates who are on record as *actually* favoring "open borders." A link would be great, too.

Thanks!

You are either too lazy or too scared to "Google it" because at least 10 candidates raised their hands to allow illegal aliens to cross the border w/o documentation. You lose.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2019/06/27/open-borders-democrats-n2549103

"Julian Castro, who pushed the candidates to the left to repeal " Section 1325 of the Immigration and Nationality Act, which makes it a federal offense to cross or attempt to cross the U.S. border “at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers.”- that is a defacto open border

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/byron-york-in-debates-democrats-move-toward-open-borders

Raise your hand if you think it should be a civil offense, rather than a crime, to cross the border without documentation," said NBC's José Díaz-Balart.

All 10 candidates — Biden, Sanders, Buttigieg, Harris, Gillibrand, Bennet, Swalwell, Hickenlooper, Yang, Williamson — raised their hands in approval. That moment was perhaps the Democratic Party's most significant step yet toward embracing a policy of open borders.

agip wrote:

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

You are either too lazy or too scared to "Google it" because at least 10 candidates raised their hands to allow illegal aliens to cross the border w/o documentation. You lose.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2019/06/27/open-borders-democrats-n2549103

"Julian Castro, who pushed the candidates to the left to repeal " Section 1325 of the Immigration and Nationality Act, which makes it a federal offense to cross or attempt to cross the U.S. border “at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers.”- that is a defacto open border

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/byron-york-in-debates-democrats-move-toward-open-borders

Raise your hand if you think it should be a civil offense, rather than a crime, to cross the border without documentation," said NBC's José Díaz-Balart.

All 10 candidates — Biden, Sanders, Buttigieg, Harris, Gillibrand, Bennet, Swalwell, Hickenlooper, Yang, Williamson — raised their hands in approval. That moment was perhaps the Democratic Party's most significant step yet toward embracing a policy of open borders.

rigged at some point people are going to just stop talking to you if you keep slinging the BS. I suppose since driving too fast is a civil infraction then it's fine to speed and you will never be pulled over? Is that your view? I say go for it.

The better answer is when Beto said he'd tear down the wall in San Antonio. That's the closest anyone has come.