He's an activist investor - his big skill is stirring $hit up. He personally didn't like how they responded so he's been kicking and screaming to cause problems... and unfortunately it's becoming clear that donor funds are at risk here which is why they forced Gay to resign. It's sad that a school buckles under political pressure like this, but they probably figured this is the fastest way to make the dust settle quickly and for everyone to move on. This literally changes nothing else though.
trollie come on. Every week more examples of her shoddy scholarship were coming out. Her scholarship was embarrassingly light even before her plagiarism was illuminated. Combine lack of distinguished output (not even one book!) and shoddy scholarly apparatus and her tenure was untenable.
No, come on. Had that hearing not happened there is no way she would have been forced to resign. She got caught up in this and they went on a mission to pick her apart until something gave. Examine any person in her position and you'll be sure to find deficiencies. I'm not saying plagiarism shouldn't be grounds for removal, but it's clear this level of scrutiny only happened after the hearing. She clearly did a great job until now as she even moved up in one of the biggest old boys club.
trollie come on. Every week more examples of her shoddy scholarship were coming out. Her scholarship was embarrassingly light even before her plagiarism was illuminated. Combine lack of distinguished output (not even one book!) and shoddy scholarly apparatus and her tenure was untenable.
No, come on. Had that hearing not happened there is no way she would have been forced to resign. She got caught up in this and they went on a mission to pick her apart until something gave. Examine any person in her position and you'll be sure to find deficiencies. I'm not saying plagiarism shouldn't be grounds for removal, but it's clear this level of scrutiny only happened after the hearing. She clearly did a great job until now as she even moved up in one of the biggest old boys club.
Full transparency it's my alma mater and most of the views coming from my alumni groups and staff sources is that they wanted to squash the worries with the donors and move on quickly. When the plagiarism stuff first came out a bunch of the right winger donors pounced and demanded a cavity search... and here we are.
No, come on. Had that hearing not happened there is no way she would have been forced to resign. She got caught up in this and they went on a mission to pick her apart until something gave. Examine any person in her position and you'll be sure to find deficiencies. I'm not saying plagiarism shouldn't be grounds for removal, but it's clear this level of scrutiny only happened after the hearing. She clearly did a great job until now as she even moved up in one of the biggest old boys club.
Full transparency it's my alma mater and most of the views coming from my alumni groups and staff sources is that they wanted to squash the worries with the donors and move on quickly. When the plagiarism stuff first came out a bunch of the right winger donors pounced and demanded a cavity search... and here we are.
Oh and a huge LOLz to the idiots who keep obsessing over universities being liberal. They have no clue how much $ rolls in from conservative donors.
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trollie come on. Every week more examples of her shoddy scholarship were coming out. Her scholarship was embarrassingly light even before her plagiarism was illuminated. Combine lack of distinguished output (not even one book!) and shoddy scholarly apparatus and her tenure was untenable.
No, come on. Had that hearing not happened there is no way she would have been forced to resign. She got caught up in this and they went on a mission to pick her apart until something gave. Examine any person in her position and you'll be sure to find deficiencies. I'm not saying plagiarism shouldn't be grounds for removal, but it's clear this level of scrutiny only happened after the hearing. She clearly did a great job until now as she even moved up in one of the biggest old boys club.
I'm sure journos and others are indeed looking over other presidents' scholarship just for the reasons you say. note that Stanford's prez was also fired for weak scholarship apparatus.
But know that you are using the 'eh everyone does it' excuse, which is a classic defensive stance when your team is caught red handed. It's a form of Godwin's Law that means you are on the wrong side of things.
I'd not use that one if I were you.
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No, come on. Had that hearing not happened there is no way she would have been forced to resign. She got caught up in this and they went on a mission to pick her apart until something gave. Examine any person in her position and you'll be sure to find deficiencies. I'm not saying plagiarism shouldn't be grounds for removal, but it's clear this level of scrutiny only happened after the hearing. She clearly did a great job until now as she even moved up in one of the biggest old boys club.
I'm sure journos and others are indeed looking over other presidents' scholarship just for the reasons you say. note that Stanford's prez was also fired for weak scholarship apparatus.
But know that you are using the 'eh everyone does it' excuse, which is a classic defensive stance when your team is caught red handed. It's a form of Godwin's Law that means you are on the wrong side of things.
I'd not use that one if I were you.
I think I was clear when I said plagiarism can be sufficient reason reason for removal. What I am saying is that the only reason this blew over, her credentials have been scrutinized to this degree, and that Harvard caved in was because of politics. No way this would have happened if not for the backlash from the hearing.
I'm sure journos and others are indeed looking over other presidents' scholarship just for the reasons you say. note that Stanford's prez was also fired for weak scholarship apparatus.
But know that you are using the 'eh everyone does it' excuse, which is a classic defensive stance when your team is caught red handed. It's a form of Godwin's Law that means you are on the wrong side of things.
I'd not use that one if I were you.
I think I was clear when I said plagiarism can be sufficient reason reason for removal. What I am saying is that the only reason this blew over, her credentials have been scrutinized to this degree, and that Harvard caved in was because of politics. No way this would have happened if not for the backlash from the hearing.
ok...so because you don't like the way the plagiarism was found, you think she should get a free pass? I'm really not sure what you are trying to argue here.
I think I was clear when I said plagiarism can be sufficient reason reason for removal. What I am saying is that the only reason this blew over, her credentials have been scrutinized to this degree, and that Harvard caved in was because of politics. No way this would have happened if not for the backlash from the hearing.
ok...so because you don't like the way the plagiarism was found, you think she should get a free pass? I'm really not sure what you are trying to argue here.
Agip laying the smack down on this Harvard wannabe. 👏
I think I was clear when I said plagiarism can be sufficient reason reason for removal. What I am saying is that the only reason this blew over, her credentials have been scrutinized to this degree, and that Harvard caved in was because of politics. No way this would have happened if not for the backlash from the hearing.
ok...so because you don't like the way the plagiarism was found, you think she should get a free pass? I'm really not sure what you are trying to argue here.
Trollie, I think we can all believe these three things at the same time:
Jonathan Chait @jonathanchait All the following is true: 1. The attacks on Claudine Gay were politically-motivated 2. The plagiarism was real and indefensible for that position 3. Gay was right about free speech and Stefanik was wrong
ok...so because you don't like the way the plagiarism was found, you think she should get a free pass? I'm really not sure what you are trying to argue here.
Trollie, I think we can all believe these three things at the same time:
Jonathan Chait @jonathanchait All the following is true: 1. The attacks on Claudine Gay were politically-motivated 2. The plagiarism was real and indefensible for that position 3. Gay was right about free speech and Stefanik was wrong
Correct and I'd say the political attacks on academic institutions is WAY bigger than a school president's plagiarism.
ok...so because you don't like the way the plagiarism was found, you think she should get a free pass? I'm really not sure what you are trying to argue here.
Trollie, I think we can all believe these three things at the same time:
Jonathan Chait @jonathanchait All the following is true: 1. The attacks on Claudine Gay were politically-motivated 2. The plagiarism was real and indefensible for that position 3. Gay was right about free speech and Stefanik was wrong
No one even knew or cared who she was until she went before congress and declared that hate speech was fine so long as it was directed at Jews.
Gay doesn't give a damn about free speech. If you misgender a trans person at Harvard you will face harsher punishment than if you literally join Hamas.
Was dragged before Congress along with Magill and was asked to respond to something that never happened in their campuses....calls to genocide Jews. Did not give the answer the Lobby demanded. Note that the 3rd college president dragged before Congress and given the same question, president of MIT, gave similar answer but seems to have escaped the mob. Kornbluth.
Guess Ackman is in charge of who gets to be a college president
He's an activist investor - his big skill is stirring $hit up. He personally didn't like how they responded so he's been kicking and screaming to cause problems... and unfortunately it's becoming clear that donor funds are at risk here which is why they forced Gay to resign. It's sad that a school buckles under political pressure like this, but they probably figured this is the fastest way to make the dust settle quickly and for everyone to move on. This literally changes nothing else though.
She couldn't condemn calls for genocide on her campus and was caught on multiple plagiarism counts. Yeah, this is such a tragedy, I'm going to cry myself to sleep tonight.
Trollie, I think we can all believe these three things at the same time:
Jonathan Chait @jonathanchait All the following is true: 1. The attacks on Claudine Gay were politically-motivated 2. The plagiarism was real and indefensible for that position 3. Gay was right about free speech and Stefanik was wrong
No one even knew or cared who she was until she went before congress and declared that hate speech was fine so long as it was directed at Jews.
Gay doesn't give a damn about free speech. If you misgender a trans person at Harvard you will face harsher punishment than if you literally join Hamas.
Translation: Adult didn’t know who she was and didn’t like that she defended free speech that he didn’t like. In Adult’s world, free speech only covers his approved positions. I’m sure he’ll provide copious evidence to support his claim that “If you misgender a trans person at Harvard you will face harsher punishment than if you literally join Hamas.”