Another run across America underway - is it legit? Boots currently on the ground

Maybe this has been explained and I missed it, but if he’s switching the watch with other runners that still doesn’t explain why that runner has an unnaturally low heart rate through increasing speeds and different terrain? Unless he’s switching every 5 minutes or something wouldn’t you still expect to see the heart rate going up on the new runner? Or the substitute runner just has some oddity that makes them measure low? But then wouldn’t that be easy to find by looking at the Strava of the companion runners and seeing if anyone regularly shows 110 readings on runs?

I understand what the irregularities are and why people are suspicious - but what is the assumed way of cheating that makes the data make sense?

I wanted to know this as well.

Is there an insinuation that he is getting on a bike or something that would allow him to move at a given pace at a much lower heart rate?

I don't think any of the crazies here are dumb enough to try to accuse Goodge of using a bike or riding in the RV. The graphs I posted before from Goodge's data with the cadence and stride histograms clearly indicate this is all done on foot. If some of it was done on a bike there would be a different signature with the cadence.

OK, so if the insinuation is that the watch is being relayed, which seems to be accusation, isn't the heart rate too low for anyone running any meaningful distance at the paces recorded?

Yeah, I agree that those "too low" heart rates Willvlc and the others keep bringing up as key evidence doesn't fit the scenario of a second runner wearing the watch for long distances.

said it before and I'll say it again, because he's either cheating, or he's an imbecile with a team full of imbeciles

There was clearly an off-ramp for all involved had the team not made willC look like a mental patient in the YouTube vid and of course the alleged rock throwing incident. The crossing for willG is now tainted and willC has made life long enemies. This is in fact an extremely rare "lose lose" outcome. kudos to the will's - this is hard to pull off.

I wish this dang thing allowed an edit :) As soon as I hit 'post' I knew I spelled it wrong :) But, a Baclava is mighty tasty...it just doesn't keep you warm in the face :)

There's nothing magical about particular numbers. Until you take into account HR max of a person. If a person's max is low, he'll be running very low numbers for a slog like this. Will G's max is at least 195, possibly 200+ (as we know from his marathon where he was hitting close to 190 at some point). My max is around 180 and I never was able to push above 165 in a marathon, final sprint included.

So if they are indeed watch-swapping, then it's apparent that the person running with the low heart rate simply has max 15-20 beats lower than Will G.

I am not saying it happens, can't be bothered to analyze this data, but as I said, it's a scam either way.

One of you? Do you mean someone that believes in the power of the body? Someone who believes in the power of doing good? Someone who thinks that what Will G is doing is both amazing and noble? If that is what you mean by "one of you" then I take that line as a tremendous compliment!

But, knowing you are saying it as a negative, I am sorry that I am not joining in the 'nasty gang' trying to vilify and tear down what Will G is doing. I am more sad for the seemingly majority that are jumping in on the witch hunt. It is so easy to pile on.

I choose to see the good...I choose to believe in what I see...and that is Will G running every step of the mileage.

I will not "help" in trying to destroy a good man & good team trying to do something amazing and raise significant $$ to fight cancer. Sorry...wait, not sorry for not helping with the pile-on!

This person has a lot invested in this spectacle. Time. Money. PR. Support crew. Unfortunately, this situation screams of someone getting in way over their head and now misrepresenting what they are doing because they see no honest way out.

There are numerous red flags that have been pointed out and this team has refused to address easy to fix issues.

The guy looks to be wearing a whoop on his other wrist which can measure HR

If it was just the garmin or coros playing up, the easy fix is to present the whoop data (the absence of this is in of itself damning)

They have not, so we are left with two options: 1. He is only able to produce clean data whilst observed (noting the data is clean when observed) or 2. They could rebut the accusations but are too stupid to realise the answer lies on his other wrist.

Holy cow! Really?? Those defending him are providing nonsense??

Who's the "bogus pyramid-selling brands"? Native...not one; Whoop...not one; Puresport...not one; NuCalm...not one

A Gym bunny, not a runner -- says who? What is your definition of a runner? I thought runners came in all shapes and sizes? Come on over to the 21 century!

Data is irregular--I'll give you that, but so what?? Are you saying that if someone doesn't run with a HR monitor that gives back data you deem to be clean is faking it? There have been several people on here that I've checked their Strava and they have many long runs without a HR line...must they be dead or a fake?

I don't condone the rock throwing of the insults at Will C. But, I don't know how I would respond to someone who is calling me a fraud? If I knew they were making it up and trying to call me a fraud, I know I would get pretty angry.

Right, but why would it stay steady? Isn’t the argument that the HR goes to 110 and then stays there even if speed increases or terrain gets hilly or temperature increases and even though the afternoon runs are more rigorous? Even if the person has a lower HR wouldn’t you still expect it to range up and down? So you’d be seeing it rise as they get more tired and put it more effort? So the range might be 100-135 instead of say 135-170 or whatever, but there would still be a variance in HR with effort? And that would be a pretty distinctive signature of a second runner, no?

My watch always fs up if I’m wearing something tight on my watch wrist like a wristband or hair tie - but in my case that makes it shut off or stop tracking entirely. I notice he’s wearing a bracelet on his watch wrist, but that still wouldn’t explain why the watch only glitches at certain points in this particular way, unless his wrist swells in the afternoon, or he turns his watch around at some point or the material of the bracelet somehow heats up and only disrupts in the afternoon…and why wouldn’t he have troubleshot that by now knowing people are asking about the numbers?

You guys are weird.

On one of the many social posts there is a pic of the whoop screen. Whoop on April 13 measured 900 more calories burned than Strava. Calories is a function of HR. Two possibilities. : a) tech or b) two different hearts being measured. I'll leave it to those more ambitious than me to track this down.

Think the whoop measures throughout the day (whilst wearing) whilst the Strava data will only show calories burned during that activity so that could explain that one

Remember when you are reading Will C's "report" that is has been written from the jump with an accusation of fraud. Nothing he has written about Will G has been objective, but slanderous. It will be nothing more than an Op-ed to attempt to confirm his opinions and his analaysis.