An official for women's swimming just resigned over this saying that it is bodies that compete, not gender identities, and that it isn't fair.
An official for women's swimming just resigned over this saying that it is bodies that compete, not gender identities, and that it isn't fair.
You by pass a key element of debate.
That trans women are women so they are not competing as men.Or are they they?
How do you resolve?
Make him and yes I said him continue to compete with the men. Frankly I am sick of the transgender crap. If you are born a guy your a guy if your born a women your a lady my thoughts stop playing God. I have friends that are Gay and hate this crap as much as I do. I support Gay, Lesbian, Bi-Sexual but I do not support transgenders at all they are playing with fire and I find it insanity.
OFOOS wrote:
Lenny Leonard wrote:
I agree. As that relates to this issue though, the University of Pennsylvania, the NCAA, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, and the United States of America agree that Lia Thomas is a woman.
Facts don't care about your feelings. If your entire argument is "Lia Thomas" is a man pretending to be a woman, then you have no argument.
Assuming Lia Thomas is legally a woman, (which I have not checked), that is still not relevant to sports. Transwomen do not belong in women's sports unless they can provide clear evidence they have neutralized their inherent male advantages. Lia Thomas may be legally a woman but she is also a man. You can be both, one in a legal and social sense, another in a physical sense.
Is She/He physically now or ever capable of becoming pregnant in fact are any transgender so called women capable of it? NO because they are Men and need to compete with men.
As a sports fan, I'm opposed to not having having an even playing field. So many posters have predicted the end of women's sports so of course it matters that there are so few transgender athletes.
The most important component regarding the issue is that "doing something about it" is not likely to happen anytime soon. This is from a lawsuit where Lindsay Hecox challenged Idaho's statewide ban against transgender athletes:
"In August 2020, U.S. District Judge David Nye stopped the law from taking effect while the lawsuit moved forward, saying Hecox and the other student were likely to succeed in proving the law was unconstitutional."
It's also unlikely a judge is going to make a decision contrary to the rules elsewhere:
"The (Nye) ruling said the restriction on transgender athletes "stands in stark contrast to the policies of elite athletic bodies that regulate sports both nationally and globally."
Nye's court is where the battle is currently being fought and it doesn't seem like N.C.A.A. transgender athletes are going to be banned as a result.
Easy1 wrote:
OFOOS wrote:
Assuming Lia Thomas is legally a woman, (which I have not checked), that is still not relevant to sports. Transwomen do not belong in women's sports unless they can provide clear evidence they have neutralized their inherent male advantages. Lia Thomas may be legally a woman but she is also a man. You can be both, one in a legal and social sense, another in a physical sense.
Is She/He physically now or ever capable of becoming pregnant in fact are any transgender so called women capable of it? NO because they are Men and need to compete with men.
Ship sailed.Rightly or wrongly .
Easy1 wrote:
Make him and yes I said him continue to compete with the men. Frankly I am sick of the transgender crap. If you are born a guy your a guy if your born a women your a lady my thoughts stop playing God. I have friends that are Gay and hate this crap as much as I do. I support Gay, Lesbian, Bi-Sexual but I do not support transgenders at all they are playing with fire and I find it insanity.
Prob is that your values no longer count.
The dude still has his junk
I spoke with someone that was at a recent swim meet where lia Thomas beat 2nd place by like 35 seconds.
They said people only cheered when the females finished, and that the only clapping sound when Lia finished was his balls clapping against his thighs.
Ru Paolo wrote:
I spoke with someone that was at a recent swim meet where lia Thomas beat 2nd place by like 35 seconds.
They said people only cheered when the females finished, and that the only clapping sound when Lia finished was his balls clapping against his thighs.
Your joke was dumb. It made you and all people who share your views seem dumb.
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original liar soorer wrote:
Easy1 wrote:
Make him and yes I said him continue to compete with the men. Frankly I am sick of the transgender crap. If you are born a guy your a guy if your born a women your a lady my thoughts stop playing God. I have friends that are Gay and hate this crap as much as I do. I support Gay, Lesbian, Bi-Sexual but I do not support transgenders at all they are playing with fire and I find it insanity.
Prob is that your values no longer count.
I disagree: I think this bad genie will be put back in its bottle as truth carries the day. The truth is that Thomas is a man, his wishes otherwise notwithstanding.
Go Sweden wrote:The dude still has his junk
You're right. But does he shower with the women's team? And are they all right with that? And where does he put/hide his junk in that tight, women's racing suit?
Way to go, RR - yoou are one of the few fact-based posters here in a sea of howling complainers. I think that the issue will be decided in one (or more) of three arenas: the IOC (unlikely); the individual, international sports associations (more likely, see Women's Rugby); or the US courts and/or legislation. Even if it is initially as the state level ("No, Lia, you can't compete against women at the national championships at Georgia Tech because Georgia law forbids it...") it will soon become a national question. And assuming all or many US states legislate against biological men in women's sports, who's going to get more attention and credibility at the WA level: the US or Namibia?
I think that those of us who believe trans women have no place in women's sports involving strength, speed or stamina just keep pushing on as many doors as possible, lobbying, convincing legislators and judges. Starting with those that played a sport in college, or maybe even high school.
RunRagged wrote:
Go Sweden wrote:
The dude still has his junk
The male athletes seeking entry into women's sports basis of their claimed "gender identities" today all still have their junk, as do the vast majority of males who say they "identify as" women nowadays. That's why testosterone suppression has become the focal point in the controversy over "trans women" in women's sports.
This is a group for whom the adage "want to have your cake and eat it too" was tailor-made. These guys don't want to give up their balls and dicks, they just want to rebrand them as female organs. Hence such terms as "lady dxck," "girl cxck," "she-nis," "girl bulge," "outie ovaries" and "chick sac."
How interesting.
I have been confused by why the feminist movement have been reported as so anti trans. And if there are “ a number… please define “ who are intact I can now see where the arguments lie.
There will thus be a big overlap between gender politics and sports fairness as intact biological males in womens sport will be at the cutting edge( not to be a joke) of debate.
I would add that I can see an argument from the trans community that there should be no testo suppression and that such is a breach of their rights.
No idea how all this will be resolved or should be resolved across the world let alone in NCAA sports.
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Every athlete deserves to complete on a level playing field. But why focus on leveling the field when we can level the athlete? To this end, I propose that going forward sports governing bodies replace existing categories with a single "neutral" category, in which every athlete participates.
Quite reasonably, it follows from this approach the implementation of a program in which all athletes must satisfy a range of relevant performance factors in order to compete.
In one embodiment, a mandate is included that each athlete must continually maintain testosterone levels between 3 and 5 nanomoles per liter.
This mandate, as embodied, would typically require that biologically female athletes undergo a program of masculinizing hormone therapy, while biologically male athletes would need to undergo a program of androgen suppression therapy. Thus, all athletes, whether male, female or otherwise, are freed from the systemic forces that seek to divide them into arbitrary gender categories.
Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away.
RunRagged wrote:
Go Sweden wrote:
The dude still has his junk
The male athletes seeking entry into women's sports basis of their claimed "gender identities" today all still have their junk, as do the vast majority of males who say they "identify as" women nowadays. That's why testosterone suppression has become the focal point in the controversy over "trans women" in women's sports.
This is a group for whom the adage "want to have your cake and eat it too" was tailor-made. These guys don't want to give up their balls and dicks, they just want to rebrand them as female organs. Hence such terms as "lady dxck," "girl cxck," "she-nis," "girl bulge," "outie ovaries" and "chick sac."
Why are the anti-trans crowd so vulgar? Like it's noticeable how much you take pleasure in using the most descriptive of language to describe people's bodies.
And you're being trolled very hard, nobody is using 'outie ovaries' or 'bulge' in a serious conversation. Maybe look up from your phone and re-enter the real world next time you get into a twitter argument with a 15 year-old.
Does not wanting my kids to watch a bisexual threesome at the Olympics make me a bigot?
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