"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

Hey dopey, it’s actually the opposite of your uninformed bizarro world opinion. Unvaccinated employee infects other employees, those employees can sue the employer, duh

In the extremely unlikely event an employee suffers a vaccine injury as a result of a vaccine mandate, that would be covered under workers comp.

Yessiree Bob wrote:

In the extremely unlikely event an employee suffers a vaccine injury as a result of a vaccine mandate, that would be covered under workers comp.

How is that extremely unlikely? You don't know anyone who has had the vax? If you know more than a handful, then you know some who have been harmed.

Let's really tell it like it is wrote:

You can go back and look at the severe flu season of 2017-18 and see there were several cases of elite athletes dying from that flu strain and many more who suffered debilitating, long term effects. There wasn't any push for the flu shot back then - no coercion, no harassment, no fearmongering, no mandates or any BS like that. So, now we have a coronavirus that's hard on old, sickly, unhealthy, obese people and you want to fearmonger this to the young & healthy? Too freaking funny!

If this is true then it’s a shame that we don’t have vaccines that work as well for the multiple flu strains was we do for COVID.

RNA vaccines have made it clear we should accept very little background risk from these diseases. We can and will do better.

You seem stuck in the status quo - “people will get sick and die of preventable diseases.” Unamerican and pessimistic boomer material.

This^

Fellas is being an antivaxxer a protected class like, uh, being gay?

This either assumes that being gay is a choice or that being an antivaxxer is not.

Now, if your argument, LFH, is that antivaxxers have no choice because they are so insanely stupid they nobody can help them… that argument might work!

The vaccines prevent transmission because

1) they prevent against infection (even if that protection is weaker under delta)

2) vaccinated people clear the infection much faster so the infectious period is shorter

I agree from a philosophical standpoint that if the vaccine did nothing then there’s no basis to mandate it. However the vaccine is very effective.

Your only argument seems to be that the vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission therefore it shouldn’t be mandates for the safety of employees. Considering it DOES prevent transmission substantially (see my original post in this thread!!) then your argument is refuted.

And sorry, the Supreme Court has found that mandatory vaccination policies are fine. There’s no justification for extending a protected class status to antivaxxers who have LOTS of choice in their membership to that group.

Unless, as I’ve said, your argument is that antivaxxers are too dumb to change their mind. I would entertain protections on that status.

Harambe wrote:

And sorry, the Supreme Court has found that mandatory vaccination policies are fine. There’s no justification for extending a protected class status to antivaxxers who have LOTS of choice in their membership to that group.

It's 2021. Not 1905. Computers have calendars. Take a look.

Alito has talked about the 1905 case. Jacobson was not fighting the inoculation order. He was fighting the fact that he was not granted an exemption to the order. The 1905 Scotus ruling is not necessarily applicable to today's situation.

Harambe wrote:

Wow the vaccine is FAILING in Israel. If by "failing" you mean 95+% effective against severe disease:

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/cf58cd_a5dbc0809c66454abdb05495bde22136~mv2.png

The fearmongers DO NOT like this. They WANT the vaccine to fail.

Is this data and website legit?

Very compelling if it is.

Well, little ol’ me just found out a real close fully vaccinated friend is positive and heading for a bed, like DeLa Hoya. It’s early folks, I wouldn’t be bragging bout this vaccine too soon. Something fishy going on it seems w the message, and the data.

That’s not what my fully vaccinated friend said. Oddly enough. Don’t believe the hype nobob.

Yessiree Bob wrote:

Noyankee wrote:

Well, little ol’ me just found out a real close fully vaccinated friend is positive and heading for a bed, like DeLa Hoya. It’s early folks, I wouldn’t be bragging bout this vaccine too soon. Something fishy going on it seems w the message, and the data.

Congrats, you’ve just joined The Unkle, DanM, and Wazzu1492 as a charter member of the dumbest MFers on LRC.

I will wear your insult as a badge of honor. 543 days of excellent health. Never sick once.

This dumb MFer is doing something right.

Massachusetts State of Emergency declared: 2020-03-10

Days since: 543

First mRNA shots administered in the US: 2020-12-14

Days since: 264

On day 1, Fauci lied. If that isn’t a concerning crack in the foundation for you, then just join the flock. Others are keeping a little closer eye on things.

We've moved on from 'base rate fallacy' to 'anecdotal evidence' in the denier-fearmongers' desperate attempts to discredit the vaccine, prolong COVID, and ensure more Americans die needlessly.

How fun!

Harambe wrote:

We've moved on from 'base rate fallacy' to 'anecdotal evidence' in the denier-fearmongers' desperate attempts to discredit the vaccine, prolong COVID, and ensure more Americans die needlessly.

How fun!

Fully vaccinated, trouble breathing, hospitalized.

More anecdotes, I guess.

What’s truly comical is that on Day 1, the Worlds greatest leader, Trump, squared off vs the Worlds Greatest Doctor, Fauci. Classic, stop the planes from China vs Let them fly debate. Down goes the doctor! Down goes the doctor!!

Harambe wrote:

We've moved on from 'base rate fallacy' to 'anecdotal evidence' in the denier-fearmongers' desperate attempts to discredit the vaccine, prolong COVID, and ensure more Americans die needlessly.

How fun!

What do you call one antivaxxer stuck on the moon? A problem

What do you call all antivaxxers stuck on the moon? Problem solved

DanM wrote:

Harambe wrote:

We've moved on from 'base rate fallacy' to 'anecdotal evidence' in the denier-fearmongers' desperate attempts to discredit the vaccine, prolong COVID, and ensure more Americans die needlessly.

How fun!

Fully vaccinated, trouble breathing, hospitalized.

More anecdotes, I guess.

The fearmongers never have actual data. They need to lie and misrepresent to ensure COVID last as long as possible.

“The vaccines prevent transmission because

1) they prevent against infection (even if that protection is weaker under delta)

2) vaccinated people clear the infection much faster so the infectious period is shorter”

These are good points. Are there good studies that show evidence of point 2?

Um, that would be the good Doctor Fauci madam, but thank you for shedding light. This is all very exciting stuff. It’s like discovering a new dimension of thinking people. Non binary opposite thinking people living outside reality. Who would have known? Very moving for us Philosophers. Socrates would be in 7th Heaven, but it is our moment.