the writers of the Constitution saw Trump coming, volume 6,458:
At the Virginia Ratifying Convention, the delegate George Mason argued against ratification (of Constitional pardoning power) partly on the grounds that "the President ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself."[15]
Not the ones who prevailed on that issue, quite clearly.
And I do hope (and fully assume) that Mason and others were capable of thinking more broadly than that. You don't hold back pardon power JUST because it might be used for self-interest. You hold it back MOSTLY for the reason that Real Obvi said - It simply makes no sense. Whether it's for self-interested reasons, OR NOT. Why allow one citizen to overturn the justice system?
And while I don't know much about it, overturn it with little or no justification (or review or oversight), no less.
like a lot of things, it comes from the mother country:
The origins of the pardon power in the United States Constitution can be found in English history, known previously as the “prerogative of mercy.” It first appeared during the reign of King Ine of Wessex in the seventh century. Although abuses of the pardon power increased over time, leading to limitations on it, the pardon power persisted through the American colonial period. Alexander Hamilton introduced the concept of a pardon power at the Constitutional Convention. There was debate about whether Congress should have a role in the pardon power, with the Senate approving presidential pardons. Delegates also debated whether treason should be excluded from pardonable offenses. However, the final result was an expansive power for the president in Article II, the strongest example of constitutional executive unilateralism.3 The framers of the Constitution deliberately separated the judicial function of government from the pardon power, therefore obviating concern from English jurist William Blackstone that the power of judging and pardoning should not be delegated to the same person or entity.4 They also reasoned that pardoning subordinates for treason would subject the president to threats of impeachment and removal from office.
Small businesses across the United States are expressing growing concern that they won't be able to stay alive financially if Joe Biden wins a second term
Trump suggests millions of people are leaving New York because of his criminal and civil trials
I could see people with money fleeing NY after the civil fraud trial. The unprecedented nature of the government suing an entity for a victimless crime where the supposed wronged entity says there was no crime and would reengage in commerce with the entity sets a dangerous standard.
weird how these creeps think corporate finance laws, tax laws and campaign finance laws are not in the public interest and breaking them is victimless.
when the head of the party and many of the people he hires are felons, that's what happens. The fish rots from the head.
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Trump suggests millions of people are leaving New York because of his criminal and civil trials
I could see people with money fleeing NY after the civil fraud trial. The unprecedented nature of the government suing an entity for a victimless crime where the supposed wronged entity says there was no crime and would reengage in commerce with the entity sets a dangerous standard.
That's a sad and frightening prospect. But here's what I'd encourage any of those people to do: Look in the mirror and ask themselves, "Am I anywhere NEAR the criminal POS that Trump is?"
In the vast majority of cases, I think that they're gonna be good !!!!
like a lot of things, it comes from the mother country:
The origins of the pardon power in the United States Constitution can be found in English history, known previously as the “prerogative of mercy.” It first appeared during the reign of King Ine of Wessex in the seventh century. Although abuses of the pardon power increased over time, leading to limitations on it, the pardon power persisted through the American colonial period. Alexander Hamilton introduced the concept of a pardon power at the Constitutional Convention. There was debate about whether Congress should have a role in the pardon power, with the Senate approving presidential pardons. Delegates also debated whether treason should be excluded from pardonable offenses. However, the final result was an expansive power for the president in Article II, the strongest example of constitutional executive unilateralism.3 The framers of the Constitution deliberately separated the judicial function of government from the pardon power, therefore obviating concern from English jurist William Blackstone that the power of judging and pardoning should not be delegated to the same person or entity.4 They also reasoned that pardoning subordinates for treason would subject the president to threats of impeachment and removal from office.
I could see people with money fleeing NY after the civil fraud trial. The unprecedented nature of the government suing an entity for a victimless crime where the supposed wronged entity says there was no crime and would reengage in commerce with the entity sets a dangerous standard.
That's a sad and frightening prospect. But here's what I'd encourage any of those people to do: Look in the mirror and ask themselves, "Am I anywhere NEAR the criminal POS that Trump is?"
In the vast majority of cases, I think that they're gonna be good !!!!
Have you ever taken out a corporate loan? I’ve taken out three. Valuing assets involves guesswork. That is why banks have underwriting departments. Ultimately they determine what they believe an asset is worth based upon their own methods and procedures. That is why the bank felt like they weren’t a victim (given that the loans were repaid with interest and finance charges). The civil fraud case should never have been brought (and there is no comparable case in the history of New York). It would never have been brought were Trump still a Democrat.
That's a sad and frightening prospect. But here's what I'd encourage any of those people to do: Look in the mirror and ask themselves, "Am I anywhere NEAR the criminal POS that Trump is?"
In the vast majority of cases, I think that they're gonna be good !!!!
Have you ever taken out a corporate loan? I’ve taken out three. Valuing assets involves guesswork. That is why banks have underwriting departments. Ultimately they determine what they believe an asset is worth based upon their own methods and procedures. That is why the bank felt like they weren’t a victim (given that the loans were repaid with interest and finance charges). The civil fraud case should never have been brought (and there is no comparable case in the history of New York). It would never have been brought were Trump still a Democrat.
imagine being this much of a bootlicker and so ignorant of the facts of the case.
(UPDATE) Michigan House Minority Leader Matt Hall asked to step down by many leaders and residents after an alleged attack on his girlfriend.
A couple of red flags have popped up over the last 6 months regarding Matt Hall and domestic violence. Last month police reports surfaced regarding an alleged violent incident between Matt Hall and his girlfriend that took place while Hall was in office in 2019.
The Calhoun County Sheriff’s Office report detailed a terrifying incident as Matt Hall and his girlfriend were driving to Indiana. The report states that when Hall realized he had forgotten the money that he planned to gamble with, he became angry to the point that he was driving erratically according to the Daily Beast,
The report states that she asked him to slow down which made him more angry. At one point she allegedly began recording him which led to Matt Hall grabbing her phone and smashing it while it was still in her hand.
(UPDATE) Michigan House Minority Leader Matt Hall asked to step down by many leaders and residents after an alleged attack on his girlfriend.
A couple of red flags have popped up over the last 6 months regarding Matt Hall and domestic violence. Last month police reports surfaced regarding an alleged violent incident between Matt Hall and his girlfriend that took place while Hall was in office in 2019.
The Calhoun County Sheriff’s Office report detailed a terrifying incident as Matt Hall and his girlfriend were driving to Indiana. The report states that when Hall realized he had forgotten the money that he planned to gamble with, he became angry to the point that he was driving erratically according to the Daily Beast,
The report states that she asked him to slow down which made him more angry. At one point she allegedly began recording him which led to Matt Hall grabbing her phone and smashing it while it was still in her hand.
Only makes him an attractive candidate for higher office.
(UPDATE) Michigan House Minority Leader Matt Hall asked to step down by many leaders and residents after an alleged attack on his girlfriend.
A couple of red flags have popped up over the last 6 months regarding Matt Hall and domestic violence. Last month police reports surfaced regarding an alleged violent incident between Matt Hall and his girlfriend that took place while Hall was in office in 2019.
The Calhoun County Sheriff’s Office report detailed a terrifying incident as Matt Hall and his girlfriend were driving to Indiana. The report states that when Hall realized he had forgotten the money that he planned to gamble with, he became angry to the point that he was driving erratically according to the Daily Beast,
The report states that she asked him to slow down which made him more angry. At one point she allegedly began recording him which led to Matt Hall grabbing her phone and smashing it while it was still in her hand.
Only makes him an attractive candidate for higher office.
I could see people with money fleeing NY after the civil fraud trial. The unprecedented nature of the government suing an entity for a victimless crime where the supposed wronged entity says there was no crime and would reengage in commerce with the entity sets a dangerous standard.
weird how these creeps think corporate finance laws, tax laws and campaign finance laws are not in the public interest and breaking them is victimless.
when the head of the party and many of the people he hires are felons, that's what happens. The fish rots from the head.
They aren’t and really aren’t with people who don’t commit them. you are about to get your *ss kicked, again, by Trump. cause you made stuff up and that’s what the disease has done to you.
The Gaza Aid Pier has been completed and supplies are moving to starving displaced civilians. Agree or disagree with this development, but it will certainly lower the frustration level of those opposed to Israel's heavy handed approach in Gaza.
In other news: 98% of House Republicans voted to prevent Biden from withholding arms to Israel. This comes soon after Republicans voted for 6 months to withhold financial aid to Israel.
There is no discourse to be had with cult members. You'll only continue to get ridicule from me.
If there is no discourse to be had why are you engaging in a discourse? Or your sole purpose here is to spee insults and profanities. That seems pretty effed up.
Stop doing and saying things that call for insults. You are a dumb@ss Trumper. Stop being that, and you won't be appropriately insulted. Anyone who supports Donald Trump over anyone else, is a dumb@ss.
The Gaza Aid Pier has been completed and supplies are moving to starving displaced civilians. Agree or disagree with this development, but it will certainly lower the frustration level of those opposed to Israel's heavy handed approach in Gaza.
In other news: 98% of House Republicans voted to prevent Biden from withholding arms to Israel. This comes soon after Republicans voted for 6 months to withhold financial aid to Israel.
They will find a way to funnel rockets through this pier as well. Remember, Hamas wanted this war.
If there is no discourse to be had why are you engaging in a discourse? Or your sole purpose here is to spee insults and profanities. That seems pretty effed up.
Stop doing and saying things that call for insults. You are a dumb@ss Trumper. Stop being that, and you won't be appropriately insulted. Anyone who supports Donald Trump over anyone else, is a dumb@ss.
Flagpole - you need a puppy to love and cherish. When is your birthday?
weird how these creeps think corporate finance laws, tax laws and campaign finance laws are not in the public interest and breaking them is victimless.
when the head of the party and many of the people he hires are felons, that's what happens. The fish rots from the head.
They aren’t and really aren’t with people who don’t commit them. you are about to get your *ss kicked, again, by Trump. cause you made stuff up and that’s what the disease has done to you.
weird that cohen pleaded guilty to a crime that isn't real and that he didn't commit. So strange!
Stop doing and saying things that call for insults. You are a dumb@ss Trumper. Stop being that, and you won't be appropriately insulted. Anyone who supports Donald Trump over anyone else, is a dumb@ss.
Flagpole - you need a puppy to love and cherish. When is your birthday?
If you were cuddling with a little puppy a lot of your anger would be alleviated. Just cuddle with the little puppy and you will be a much better place..
