Bad Wigins wrote:
Why do they send people on missions before they have finished their education? Do they expect to impress people with ignorance? Smarten them up a bit and then send them out there.
Jesus called mostly uneducated fisherman and such to be his first Apostles. God qualifies those who do his work.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Why do they send people on missions before they have finished their education? Do they expect to impress people with ignorance? Smarten them up a bit and then send them out there.
Because the extra 2 or 3 years can help them to run faster.
blamb61 wrote:
Jesus called mostly uneducated fisherman and such to be his first Apostles. God qualifies those who do his work.
If he had called educated people, they would have written things down and you could prove he actually existed.
Poor comprehension wrote:
Jarsmie wrote:
Good idea. I think I would like to start high school at age 18 and finish at 22. That is a tremendous idea. Being a state champion is so very important even if I look ridiculous. It is the most important thing in life. Thank you.
Whoops. This whole discussion went over your head, I think.
As someone who is significantly smarter than you (and no, it is not close), I can assure you that my post sailed over your head, not the other way around. You posted about how “ if it’s such an advantage, do it.” I made a mockery of your inane assertion, eviscerating your point by slicing it to pieces. You, being a tad bit obtuse, then proceeded to respond with a nonsensical ad hominem. It may be an advantage, but you do not appear to realize that there is a lot more to life than being a great collegiate runner. And yes, I know from having experienced it.
Wiki info wrote:
runnER/DR wrote:
The women don't have any "age advantage" and they seem to be doing pretty well too. Age obviously has nothing to do with it.
As of 2007, 80% of all Mormon missionaries were young, single men, 13% were young single women and 7% retired couples. Women who would like to serve a mission must meet the same standards of worthiness and be at least 19 years old. Women generally serve as missionaries for 18 months.
Missionary (LDS Church) - Wikipedia
True -- I live near an LDS administrative center in East Lansing, MI. There is an LDS church here also, but they don't manage the missionaries from there. I work at a bike store and we just built up 30 Fuji mountain bikes for them this Fall.
In all my 45 years living here, I have never seen a female Mormon missionary walking around and I have seen probably 1500-2000 males walking or riding bikes in groups of 2-6. How do I know? Always a white shirt, usually a tie, and always dark pants and leather shoes. Always short hair. They also wear a nametag on their shirt pocket.
Bad Wigins wrote:
blamb61 wrote:
Jesus called mostly uneducated fisherman and such to be his first Apostles. God qualifies those who do his work.
If he had called educated people, they would have written things down and you could prove he actually existed.
They did write things down, it's called the Bible.
Religious bigotry. wrote:
The decision to give BYU Mormons an extra 2 to 3 years of eligibility - just because they are Mormons - definitely smacks of religious and racist bigotry toward everyone else and should not be allowed.
It's two years and is available to all.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Why do they send people on missions before they have finished their education? Do they expect to impress people with ignorance? Smarten them up a bit and then send them out there.
What’s your excuse for being stupid? Didn’t finish school?
FrenchDawg wrote:
Until they start restricting the amount of time missionaries can spend in competition, any victory they achieve will be hollow and meaningless.
First of all, since the NCAA rules are allowing BYU to compete calling for a ban for competing within the rules is absurd. If you have a problem with this then call on the NCAA to change the rules. Some of the African runners competing in NCAA are older than their given age.
To the question should there be an age limit? A couple of extra years of maturity makes a difference regardless of whether you aren't running for a couple of years, how much I am not sure. I was a fifth-year senior at 22. It is crazy to me that BYU had a guy 4 years older than I was as a fifth-year on their team. In my mid 20's I could have smoked my 22-year-old self. As long as the NCAA keeps allowing this though I don't think it is fair to criticize BYU and on the larger scale of issues in the sport, this one does not really move the needle much for me now and when I was in college I was never bothered by it.
FrenchDawg wrote:
Until they start restricting the amount of time missionaries can spend in competition, any victory they achieve will be hollow and meaningless.
Quit your bitching snowflake.
If they give up two years of training when they are 18-20, the loss in fitness will be likely be negligible by the end of year 1 of returning to training, especially given the fact that they train and live at altitude. I took over 3 years off from running from the age of 25-28 and it took me less than a full year of running 65-75 miles a week to be running the same times i was running before my break. the physical maturation they benefit from ages 22-25 completely outweighs any lost fitness while they are out trying to convince people that white people and native americans fought a giant war here 700 years ago and jesus came to visit.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Why do they send people on missions before they have finished their education? Do they expect to impress people with ignorance? Smarten them up a bit and then send them out there.
You mean like Aiden Troutner, (NXN champion from 2018 who out-kicked Brody Hastey in the final stretch)? I believe he left for his Morman mission right after high school? He hasn't even started his college education or his collegiate running at BYU and has only committed to doing so after he returns home and starts college. If it's such a damn big advantage all coaches would encourage their high school recruits to go off and join the military or the Peace Corps or something for 2 years before starting college. It's an option for everyone. There's no window for the collegiate sports age bracket of 18-22. Wise up.
Barega is 19.
Kejelcha is 22.
Geb won the 10k at WCs at the age of 20.
Wanjiru broke the half marathon world record at the age of 18.
At 22, you have reached full physical maturity, and you have years of training behind you. The only excuse for losing at that age is not being good enough.
mormons are weirdos wrote:
If they give up two years of training when they are 18-20, the loss in fitness will be likely be negligible by the end of year 1 of returning to training, especially given the fact that they train and live at altitude. I took over 3 years off from running from the age of 25-28 and it took me less than a full year of running 65-75 miles a week to be running the same times i was running before my break. the physical maturation they benefit from ages 22-25 completely outweighs any lost fitness while they are out trying to convince people that white people and native americans fought a giant war here 700 years ago and jesus came to visit.
Bigot alert!
Religious bigotry. wrote:
The decision to give BYU Mormons an extra 2 to 3 years of eligibility - just because they are Mormons - definitely smacks of religious and racist bigotry toward everyone else and should not be allowed.
It's not extra years of eligibility, it's deferred eligibility. They don't compete more years than anyone else and complete their eligibility with a 2 year break in it
I don't think missionaries would do well at NCAAs. They'd come in dead last muttering "the first shall be last, the last shall be first."[/quote]
They don't use that book.
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blamb61 wrote:
They did write things down, it's called the Bible.
Did you attend BYU? If not, you would have done really well there. The Mormon Church exists because of ignorant people like you.
You should read some material that isn’t published by the Mormon church. You’d be surprised at what a narrow world view you have.
The first apostles were not the authors of the Bible.
The fact that the stories of Jesus’ life were written down decades after he died might account for the many contradictions that exists in the Bible. The contradictions in the Book of Mormon exist because Book of Mormon stories are fictional.
You are an apostate from the Church and are bitter and need to attack the church to justify yourself.
Letters Paul and Peter wrote are the basis for much of the New Testament.
You have no idea what I've read or haven't.
25t55 wrote:
I don't think missionaries would do well at NCAAs. They'd come in dead last muttering "the first shall be last, the last shall be first."
They don't use that book.[/quote]
Yes they do.
Obviously ... wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
Why do they send people on missions before they have finished their education? Do they expect to impress people with ignorance? Smarten them up a bit and then send them out there.
Because the extra 2 or 3 years can help them to run faster.
Which case do you think would help you run fastest your last year of eligibility:
1. Train five consecutive years after high school without a break.
2. Train one year in college, then take two years off without training, then consecutively complete your last 4 years of college.
3. Take two years off without training after high school and then have 5 consecutive years of training after the two years off.
Case 1 and 2 are what missionaries do.
Which cases cause a loss of a productive year or more or at least a substandard year or more? The guys who go on a mission (that can be mitigated somewhat with a redshirt year).
blamb61 wrote:
Obviously ... wrote:
Because the extra 2 or 3 years can help them to run faster.
Which case do you think would help you run fastest your last year of eligibility:
1. Train five consecutive years after high school without a break.
2. Train one year in college, then take two years off without training, then consecutively complete your last 4 years of college.
3. Take two years off without training after high school and then have 5 consecutive years of training after the two years off.
Case 1 and 2 are what missionaries do.
Which cases cause a loss of a productive year or more or at least a substandard year or more? The guys who go on a mission (that can be mitigated somewhat with a redshirt year).
Whoops! Cases 2 and 3 are what returned missionaries face. I must be tired!