The Ingebrigtsen aren't clean; 1.5&5. Here’s why:

Inquiring minds want to know wrote:

Curious: No one in the Ingebrigtsen family competes in XC skiing? (Norway's national past time).

Some of them did when they were younger, but it's way too much hassle with the mild coastal winters and poor skiing conditions in their hometown.

Skiing might be popular compared to other nations, but like everywhere else in the world (except the US) it fades to insignificance when compared to the popularity of football.

NOWAYJOE wrote:

Who would put PED on their own kids?

Ruppolini wrote:

Inquiring minds want to know wrote:

Curious: No one in the Ingebrigtsen family competes in XC skiing? (Norway's national past time).

Some of them did when they were younger, but it's way too much hassle with the mild coastal winters and poor skiing conditions in their hometown.

Skiing might be popular compared to other nations, but like everywhere else in the world (except the US) it fades to insignificance when compared to the popularity of football.

They trained in a parking garage on roller skis at one point. It was in one of the episodes of the show. Basically everyday before going to school.

NOWAYJOE wrote:

Who would put PED on their own kids?

1) Who dress their five year old daughter's up like prostitutes for beauty pageants?

2) Who would place their 80 pound son in Pop Warner Am. football?

3) Who would let their kids ski jump?

Yet, one more reason why I’ve completely stopped following distance running on the world scene. Kid runs 13:02 like it’s nothing. At least try and pretend it was 13:02 effort.

Vxvn wrote:

Yet, one more reason why I’ve completely stopped following distance running on the world scene. Kid runs 13:02 like it’s nothing. At least try and pretend it was 13:02 effort.

How do you know what it looks like to run 13:02? Is this a relative statement to how you probably look sneaking under 20 minutes in your local 5k with a grimace on your face?

Sub 13 is a huge feat, only 101 athletes dead and alive can claim to have run that fast! That 3.30 is on another level as well crazy stuff for three consecutive children.

You’ve got to wonder......

If he doesn’t get caught for doping or he’s clean he’ll run 2.29.xx for 1500m and 12.55.xx. Proceeding these time will confirm he’s doped in the past/or is.

Remember he could of doped as a child and is enjoying the benefits from that.

Chilli Boy wrote:

Because you have personally blown every Ingebrigtsen, one and all, and, based on your decades-long experience in jism analysis, can truly testify that they are all PEDs abusers. In fact, the IOC hired you in 1988 to blow Ben Johnson and you were the first to declare him dirty. When Gatlin got banned, there you were, wiping your chin and giving the nod. Without you, the sport would have died long ago. Thanks, Bruv, for saving it once again. Don't be shy, take a bow.

I sure struck a nerve! You responded to me around noon or so in Norway. A response after Ingerbrigtsen boys got their Sunday morning injection, I mean Sunday morning run in. Making personal attacks toward me has really convinced me that Ingerbrigtsen family are clean.

Vxvn wrote:

Yet, one more reason why I’ve completely stopped following distance running on the world scene. Kid runs 13:02 like it’s nothing. At least try and pretend it was 13:02 effort.

How did you find out?

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ask your mother wrote:

How can all those genes show up over and over again in the SAME FAMILY? That's literally impossible. The parents must have SECRET GENES that they are surreptitiously PASSING ON to their children. The mechanism by which they can do such a thing without detection is UNKNOWN TO MY SCIENTIFIC UNDERSTANDING!

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Not like we've seen other families have great success at the elite level in running(Robertson twins, Geb had a brother who ran a 2:11 marathon, Lagat has several siblings who also ran at the elite level, Soh twins from Japan etc. etc.).

Bekele, Brownlee brothers. Morceli, My brother and I have identical 800m bests, we had different builds and an age gap. Look Jake Robertson's wife Mag her family are all pretty good at running.

Inquiring minds want to know wrote:

I like fast times wrote:

I came here to bring up this very point. Posters so far have seemed to assume that Henrik, Filip, and Jacob are the only kids in the family. There are the other brothers and also a younger sister (who I think was/is competing, but not world class).

This doesn't prove or disprove their doping status, but it does show that not all of the family could or wanted to handle the intense aerobic training from childhood.

Curious: No one in the Ingebrigtsen family competes in XC skiing? (Norway's national past time).

It's the X country skiing that gave the kids high vo2s from a young age. To his credit Gjert worked this out early, he thought ahead.

The amount of small, jealous, pity people on this board.

That's part of what undermines credibilty -- why Morocco, and not athletes from other countries known for doping, like Spain or Russia or China or Sweden.

Let's Tell It Like It Is wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

Genetics versus doping is a false dichotomy.

Doping as a candidate explanation might be more believable if there were more Norwegian, European, American examples in the last three decades running as fast as Dave Moorcroft in 1982.

There's a bunch of guys from a small country in NW Africa just a stone's throw away from Spain that ran faster than Moorcroft. ?

Just wondering -- if you've completely stopped, how do you know a kid ran 13:02?

Vxvn wrote:

Yet, one more reason why I’ve completely stopped following distance running on the world scene. Kid runs 13:02 like it’s nothing. At least try and pretend it was 13:02 effort.

most of your arguments are hollow wrote:

The brothers are still national level or close talent without drugs. People generally overestimate the ability of doping to make donkeys in to race horses.

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Just using my ? wrote:

+1 wrote:

+1

Not like we've seen other families have great success at the elite level in running(Robertson twins, Geb had a brother who ran a 2:11 marathon, Lagat has several siblings who also ran at the elite level, Soh twins from Japan etc. etc.).

Bekele, Brownlee brothers. Morceli, My brother and I have identical 800m bests, we had different builds and an age gap. Look Jake Robertson's wife Mag her family are all pretty good at running.

Also Borlee brothers, and -- dare I say -- Dibaba sisters.

Because Morocco had a GDR type system that was near entirely geared to producing 1500/5000m medalists. No other country in the history of athletics has had that. And they did it slap, bang in the the middle of the EPO era. Spain has had problems with doping, but that's relative to other European countries. Probably nowhere near the doping culture of African countries, which is likely why North African immigrants got to the top even there (as well as France, Belgium..). Spain is also subject to far more stringent testing than Africa. And even if a few Spanish distance runners were on full throttle EPO for a few years back in the day, they still wouldn't have been able to roid as much. Russia doped to get medals. Why would they even bother with the 5000m when all of Africa was doping themselves silly. Most of the Russian population can barely leave their door for half the year because of the weather. Compare to GB or New Zealand or Kenya where you can train year round. You actually think China is an example of doping not working when we saw a country with zero history or apparent talent in distance running suddenly dominate the women's distances, with most of the records still standing, when one small group of female runners doped to the max? I wasn't aware that Sweden was a hot house of doping? How many runners in Sweden have been busted as compared to Kenya or Morocco?

rekrunner wrote:

That's part of what undermines credibilty -- why Morocco, and not athletes from other countries known for doping, like Spain or Russia or China or Sweden.

Let's Tell It Like It Is wrote:

There's a bunch of guys from a small country in NW Africa just a stone's throw away from Spain that ran faster than Moorcroft. ?

But thanks for rekrunnering this c rap thread. Tyrone will be furious.