Two More Kenyans Provisionally Suspended For Doping Violations

Coevett wrote:

Whatever, there's no denying that she was elite. Apart from the roads, she won the Commonwealth Games 2014 10000m, as well as the African Championships. So this is yet another Kenyan medalist busted.

As for her team bumping up her profile on Wikipedia, there are countless interviews and articles online stating she is the training partner of Florence Kiplagat, so either that's a case of trying to raise her profile, or Canova lying.

lolz come on coevett, you know better. when things first started happening canova said elite was WR, olympic/World champ...then he changed and said sumgong wasnt "elite" cause olympic marathon was watered down. so you know if he can change who and what is elite this can be downplayed. plus as rek keeps ranting, EPO only makes this sub-elite "slower" than she would have been if she hand not become mindweak lolz

at least El K finally accepted the truth, too bad the "secret" mods on here wont do the same

- the poster formally known as m!ndweak

Norwegian Star wrote:

i got banned wrote:

lolz gawd i cant wait for that fossil to go home devastated. he mouthed off to me the last time about moen and then that guy has never come back to his magical 2:05 kenya training form....still battling that phantom illness or injury, its hard to keep track of the excuses lolz

- the poster formally known as m!ndweak

Just update you. Moen ran recently a new PR at 10000m , 28:06 , so probably he will soon attack 2:05 again .

yeah except a 28:08 predicts a 2:09-10 on most conversions you moran. when he ripped off his fantasy 2:05 he had to have been in low 27 10k shape, there is no other way around it. so you tell me mr know it all trying to mock me and catch me up.......what performance enhancing drug can take approximately 1 minute off a 10k time? no no no!!! it cant be EPO!!!

sorry chief but moen had an outlier 2017 campaign, but nothing he did before said he was that good, and now he is back to more "normal" as you would think

3000m

2019 8:01.18 Nembro (ITA) 28 JUN 2019

2017 7:52.55 Nembro (ITA) 07 JUL 2017

2014 8:07.71 Oslo (NOR) 22 MAY 2014

2011 8:05.96 Oslo (NOR) 19 MAY 2011

2010 8:01.68 Oslo (NOR) 19 MAY 2010

2009 8:18.31 Sollentuna (SWE) 25 JUN 2009

2008 8:12.10 Oslo (NOR) 15 MAY 2008

5000m

2018 13:42.60 Oordegem (BEL) 26 MAY 2018

2017 13:20.16 Heusden-Zolder (BEL) 22 JUL 2017

2015 13:42.89 Oordegem (BEL) 23 MAY 2015

2014 13:46.70 Heusden-Zolder (BEL) 19 JUL 2014

2011 13:30.22 Birmingham (GBR) 10 JUL 2011

2010 13:44.43 Sollentuna (SWE) 01 JUL 2010

2009 14:09.54 Göteborg (SWE) 09 JUN 2009

2008 14:02.95 Bydgoszcz (POL) 13 JUL 2008

2007 14:41.65 Tønsberg (NOR) 03 AUG 2007

10000m

2019 28:06.27 London (GBR) 06 JUL 2019

2018 28:37.92 Oslo (NOR) 07 JUN 2018

2017 28:15.12 Ostrava (CZE) 28 JUN 2017

2015 28:25.23 Palo Alto, CA (USA) 02 MAY 2015

2014 28:40.27 Leiden (NED) 14 JUN 2014

2011 28:41.66 Ostrava (CZE) 14 JUL 2011

2010 29:19.63 Barcelona (ESP) 27 JUL 2010

2009 29:17.99 Lillehammer (NOR) 02 AUG 2009

2008 29:21.92 Neerpelt (BEL) 31 MAY 2008

2007 30:29.31 Askim (NOR) 10 AUG 2007

10k road

2018 28:44 Oderzo (ITA) 01 MAY 2018

2017 27:55 Praha (CZE) 09 SEP 2017

2016 28:29 Appingedam (NED) 25 JUN 2016

2015 28:51 Schoorl (NED) 08 FEB 2015

2014 29:43 Schoorl (NED) 09 FEB 2014

2012 29:07 Schoorl (NED) 12 FEB 2012

2011 28:54 Schoorl (NED) 13 FEB 2011

2010 29:40 Würzburg (GER) 25 APR 2010

2009 28:50 Hole (NOR) 17 OCT 2009

half

2019 1:01:18 Gdynia (POL) 17 MAR 2019

2017 59:48 Valencia (ESP) 22 OCT 2017

2016 1:02:19 Nice (FRA) 24 APR 2016

2015 1:02:32 Venlo (NED) 22 MAR 2015

2014 1:02:59 Oslo (NOR) 20 SEP 2014

2012 1:02:48 Venlo (NED) 25 MAR 2012

2011 1:04:05 Berlin (GER) 03 APR 2011

marathon

2017 2:05:48 Fukuoka (JPN) 03 DEC 2017

2016 2:14:17 Rio de Janeiro (BRA) 21 AUG 2016

2015 2:12:54 Firenze (ITA) 29 NOV 2015

now yes he has a 10,000m PR, but that still only predicts a 2:09-10, so lets just wait and see, and his semi recent half only predicts a 2:08 mid.....yeah scold me hard brah when he hits sub 2:07 lolz

- the poster formally known as m!ndweak

It's kind of funny to see grown men arguing over people that they wouldn't even recognize in a crowd. The incessant and borderline pathologic postings by a few individuals on both sides of the matter is also actually somewhat disconcerting.

-the poster formerly known as who gives a $hit

If you have such a strong case, why do you need to make up and propagate lies. When you pressed me for a number, I said up to 101% for the very top elites. I expect it would be more for sub-elites. If she doped, she should be banned. That seems like the only discussion we should be having, and it should be a relatively quick one. But if you want to talk about Chepkirui as an example of best performances linked to doping, I note from her profile at the IAAF, all of her personal best times come from 2015 or before. This is a common pattern, and supports a competing theory that she started doping as a response to her performances getting slower.

i got banned wrote:

... plus as rek keeps ranting, EPO only makes this sub-elite "slower" than she would have been if she hand not become mindweak lolz

rekrunner wrote:

all of her personal best times come from 2015 or before. This is a common pattern, and supports a competing theory that she started doping as a response to her performances getting slower.

She could have been doping already in 2015 and wasn’t caught until now.

Yes, she "could have been". That's why I called it a "competing theory".

LoneStarXC wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

all of her personal best times come from 2015 or before. This is a common pattern, and supports a competing theory that she started doping as a response to her performances getting slower.

She could have been doping already in 2015 and wasn’t caught until now.

LoneStarXC wrote:

Coevett wrote:

there are countless interviews and articles online stating she is the training partner of Florence Kiplagat

^This.^

Not that.

It says a lot about you that you side with Coevett and believe LRC articles and MSM content without questioning its veracity. And when Canova comes here, someone who know the athletes personally, and says they are not training partners, you choose to dismiss that as a lie.

No doorbell wrote:

Hahaha, the drug cheat apologists and doping relativists are out in full force again, but will once more go home devastated.

Please don't choke on Tim's potatoes, racist boy. :)

I'll laugh at you every time a Kenyan wins a race. The dopers are being caught. The non-African runners beating the dopers on the other hand...

lol at you :D

i got banned wrote:

yeah except a 28:08 predicts a 2:09-10 on most conversions you moran.

yeah except that if the conversions were always right Tadese would have run 2:02-2:03 for the marathon, you moran.

Just go home devastated, will you, you slurp barf intrinsic mindweak?

it says a lot about you wrote:

questioning its veracity. And when Canova comes here, someone who know the athletes personally, and says they are not training partners, you choose to dismiss that as a lie.

rekrunner wrote:

Whatever.

I didn't deny she was elite.

I don't know what you mean by "her team bumping up her profile on Wikipedia", or why you would say that.

I don't see how "training partner" is relevant. It is not a doping violation to be, or have, a training partner.

You made a big thing about her having the 18th fastest 10k time rather than 5th (even though she did have the 5th fastest time).

Because the person you were replying to offered that as an explanation as to the apparent inaccuracy on Wikipedia (although as I said, she did have the '5th fastest time' when she set the time).

You're the only person who thinks the training partners of dopers are insignificant. I presume that part of the new 'intelligence led' system of targeted testing that the IAAF announced recently looks at training partners, so they seem to think it's important.

Coevett wrote:

You made a big thing about her having the 18th fastest 10k time rather than 5th.

Can't say that I'm surprised that you are defending a lie.

*cough*Norway*cough*

Coevett wrote:

spade detector wrote:

Can't say that I'm surprised that you are defending a lie.

Learn to read you doping apologist imbecile. I'm not defending a lie. I'm also agreeing with (Subway I think) who pointed out that the 'lie' (or badly written Wikipedia article - it does sound like a Kenyan wrote it) was likely to pump up her profile.

It's clear as day in your quote that you are defending the poster saying 5th fastest time.

Good luck finding any evidence of my being a "doping apologist". Certainly nothing remotely close to your being a lying apologist.

LOL, two more Kenyans get busted but the only thing of importance to you is whether or not I'm defending an article stating that she has the 5th fastest time, or simply did have the 5th fastest time when she ran it. Why is this more important to you than the fact that yet another elite Kenyan has been busted? You're an obsessive doping apologist (and likely the same person as Casual Observer).

Please be nice to the doping Kenyans. If you don't they will end up in the LA river and it will be your fault.

rekrunner wrote:

But if you want to talk about Chepkirui as an example of best performances linked to doping, I note from her profile at the IAAF, all of her personal best times come from 2015 or before. This is a common pattern, and supports a competing theory that she started doping as a response to her performances getting slower.

I know that's your "competing theory" but something to consider is she's an ABP case along with three (3) other Kenyan ABP cases (Chepchirchir, Rutto & Kiptum) all in just the last 4 months or so. This all is happening just as the WADA-accredited lab (PLK) in Nairobi initiated operations late last year.

I don't think Kenyan wasn't doing many ABP blood samples before PLK or there should have been some cases over the prior years (like Russia, Ukraine, Morroco, Turkey, etc.). They may have taken a blood sample now & then along with a urine sample for an IC drug screen but I don't think they were getting OOC blood draws to establish a longitudinal profile. Any IC blood draws may have been used for target testing.

Chepkirui and the other Kenyan ABP cases could have been doping off and on over the last several years and didn't get flagged until PLK came on line and started obtaining enough samples for a longitudinal profile. It would be interesting to see how many drug controls Chepkirui had over the last several years. If she had a fair number of tests - she was getting some good advice on anti-doping countermeasures to avoid glowing but the ABP eventually caught up with her.

Btw, here's good report on PLK lab in Nairobi:

Coevett wrote:

it says a lot about you wrote:

questioning its veracity. And when Canova comes here, someone who know the athletes personally, and says they are not training partners, you choose to dismiss that as a lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQmrobYhgsU&t=210s

Thanks for proving that I am right and you are a liar.

"Sometimes we are training together".

I sometimes "train together" with runners who are not my training partners. It just happens occasionally, that we have the same or similar sessions planned and we do them together.

But you know nothing about real running and training so I am not surprised you think it's all the same.

Plus, like spade detector says, you are a lying apologist.

I'm obsessed with intellectual integrity, of which you have none.