Official 2019 USATF 25k Champs Discussion Thread. Parker Stinson breaks the American record!

Donald Downer wrote:

Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but here are some facts.

Fernando Cabada set the AR for 25k

Mo Trafeh breaks it

Christo Landry breaks it.

Today Parker Stinson breaks it.

Not one of these athletes has run a good marathon.

Not one of these athletes has run the 2:11:30 which is the current Olympic Standard

THE 25K IS MEANINGLESS FOR MARATHON SUCCESS

Gee, really? So we shouldn't crown Stinson for sub-2:10 success just yet?

Huge honor wrote:

I'm sure your respect means a lot to him.

Yep

Evan Jogger wrote:

Donald Downer wrote:

Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but here are some facts.

Fernando Cabada set the AR for 25k

Mo Trafeh breaks it

Christo Landry breaks it.

Today Parker Stinson breaks it.

Not one of these athletes has run a good marathon.

Not one of these athletes has run the 2:11:30 which is the current Olympic Standard

THE 25K IS MEANINGLESS FOR MARATHON SUCCESS

Gee, really? So we shouldn't crown Stinson for sub-2:10 success just yet?

You got that right pal.

Nope. Plated Saucony super shoe. Same as Jared Ward has been wearing for his longer stuff.

Mizuno fanboy wrote:

Was he not wearing the Fastwich 9 like in Houston?

I’m not so sure. Saucony seems to take the rules semi-seriously. They even released the A8 with FreedomISO upper that Molly Huddle races in as the “MH1” and only for women. Hard to imagine they would do that other than to make her preferred race shoe “market available.”

Post race TV interview when told that he set an American record, he quickly replied ‘that usually means the course is short.’

I found it clever.

Side note: Meyer is the 10 mile record holder and also today’s elite coordinator.

This is pretty cool - nice to see Stinson put up a solid race. Had a chance to go to a Q&A with Ritz a few weeks ago. He said he had just put Stinson through a tough workout on the slightly-lumpy back half of the course, and Stinson ran it “faster than I ever did.” Sounds like they did some smart prep and it paid off. Good on both of them!

Slartibartfast wrote:

This is pretty cool - nice to see Stinson put up a solid race. Had a chance to go to a Q&A with Ritz a few weeks ago. He said he had just put Stinson through a tough workout on the slightly-lumpy back half of the course, and Stinson ran it “faster than I ever did.” Sounds like they did some smart prep and it paid off. Good on both of them!

So who finishes first in ATL, Ritz or Stinson?

PuddleJump Henry wrote:

Oh, you know, just another shoe that’s not available to the public. How strange that the Brojos have once again failed to show any concern about someone winning in an unavailable shoe...oh wait, it’s not Nike so they don’t care. But I suppose if it doesn’t fit your agenda then you wouldn’t make it a talking point.

bennyhesh wrote:

What shoes does this Stinson guy wear?

I support all Brojo agenda's .

bhxcbn wrote:

YMMV wrote:

= 61:15 HM, 2:11:15 per IAAF, WMA tables. Decent, but nothing near 2:08 (VDOT is just plain wrong on road times)

If you can run 61:15, you shoyld be able to run faster than 2:11

Why? Experience and results suggest that this is not self-evident.

Runningart2004 wrote:

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

Is there a 30k championship? That makes more sense than having 25k when you already have a ~21k championship.

The race formerly known as the 5th/3rd River Bank Run 25k has been the USATF 25k Champs for decades.

The issue is probably with finding a half-marathon willing to host the USATF Half Marathon Champs.

There also a 20k champs in September.

The USATF 15k, 20k, and 25k champs have all been around for decades in the same place.

Alan

Alan , Not sure you get the gist of what I was trying to highlight. USATF has (besides a host of other distances) a 15K Champs, a 10 Mile Champs, a 20K Champs, a Half Marathon Champs, a 25K Champs, a 30K Champs....And to make it just a bit more bizarre, the Half and 25K were contested just 6 days apart last week.

Well, let me know when you can purchase these:https://www.instagram.com/p/BpyQG_uBtKa/?igshid=1k8zk1bbvgqfy

Pletan wrote:

I’m not so sure. Saucony seems to take the rules semi-seriously. They even released the A8 with FreedomISO upper that Molly Huddle races in as the “MH1” and only for women. Hard to imagine they would do that other than to make her preferred race shoe “market available.”

PuddleJump Henry wrote:

Well, let me know when you can purchase these:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BpyQG_uBtKa/?igshid=1k8zk1bbvgqfy

Pletan wrote:

I’m not so sure. Saucony seems to take the rules semi-seriously. They even released the A8 with FreedomISO upper that Molly Huddle races in as the “MH1” and only for women. Hard to imagine they would do that other than to make her preferred race shoe “market available.”

Why do the shoes say Ward, when Stinson is wearing the shoes?

Those are Jared’s shoes from a while ago. More Saucony pro men have gotten samples recently.

kmaclam wrote:

Alan , Not sure you get the gist of what I was trying to highlight. USATF has (besides a host of other distances) a 15K Champs, a 10 Mile Champs, a 20K Champs, a Half Marathon Champs, a 25K Champs, a 30K Champs....And to make it just a bit more bizarre, the Half and 25K were contested just 6 days apart last week.

First and second place Emma Bates and Sara Hall ran both the half marathon and 25k.

Such as Stinson. The point was that they’re only on Pros. It is what it is. What it isn’t is “reasonably available.”

forcerunner wrote:

Those are Jared’s shoes from a while ago. More Saucony pro men have gotten samples recently.

USATF having a lot of races so that athletes can win money and get more experience against each other and over a variety of distances is a good thing, generally, and because the IAAF recognizes records for 20k and 25k (to be fair, on the track), having the race distances reflect that makes a lot of sense.

In the case of the HM/25k champs being 6 days apart it's because they're incorporated into race weekends/events that just happen to be close to each other in timing

Both Sara Hall and Emma Bates did the half 6 days ago and the 25k today

kmaclam wrote:

Alan , Not sure you get the gist of what I was trying to highlight. USATF has (besides a host of other distances) a 15K Champs, a 10 Mile Champs, a 20K Champs, a Half Marathon Champs, a 25K Champs, a 30K Champs....And to make it just a bit more bizarre, the Half and 25K were contested just 6 days apart last week.

So?