Bernie Sanders says he was 'one of the better milers in NYC'

Literal Rubbish wrote:

Those nations also have virtually no Mexicans or blacks, you racist!

How does that make me a racist?

killermike wrote:

WhatTheFreak wrote:

How do you figure that either has been "quite successful"? Relative to what? At what cost? What hard evidence do you have?

Relative to health and education outcomes if we didn't have those programs in place. There is no "hard evidence" that can lead to subjective assessment like "This has been successful." But what we do have are higher levels of education and healthcare access than would otherwise exist if both were completely private.

Incorrect. Education is always accessible. It happens at home, not exclusively in ornate brick-and-mortar institutions. Get a clue. You're also ignorant of American history, which shows exactly how families and communities educated their youth and cared for their ill. Even during the 20th century, until the development of Medicaid, Medicare and the expensive torts, government regulatory bodies and malpractice suits rendered it infeasible, private-practice physicians would tend to indigents and others who couldn't afford treatment. You're also committing the common error of focusing on the "seen" at the expense of the "unseen," while failing to appreciate the adjustment of incentives in a dynamic system that will produce undesirable outcomes at the behest of moral hazard in the socialized model. By the way, even before the ubiquity of insurance and Medicare, the average life expectancy had already reached 70 years, and ahead of Medicaid, vaccination and the industrial revolution had already caused it to soar by more than 50% from most of the 19th century.

killermike wrote:

Literal Rubbish wrote:

Those nations also have virtually no Mexicans or blacks, you racist!

How does that make me a racist?

Different cultures, proclivities and genetic compositions equate to different outcomes. You're not comparing like systems.

Hmmmm, you propose a good challenge. Who is better in the distance events (throw out the 800m). The 5 boroughs of NYC or Upstate NY

I’ll start with a few from NYC

Charles Marsala - Staten Island

Matt Centrowitz - New York

Tom Nohilly - Queens

Literal Rubbish wrote:

killermike wrote:

How does that make me a racist?

Different cultures, proclivities and genetic compositions equate to different outcomes. You're not comparing like systems.

That wouldn't make me a racist. Maybe the comparison isn't a like comparison, but that doesn't imply that I'm a racist.

Wutt? wrote:

gahagand wrote:

He ran 4:30 in the '50s or'60s of course he was one of the better milers in NYC. Probably one of the better milers in the US.

A 4:37 run in the 50s or 60s did not make anyone one of the better milers in the USA.

Hell, Ryan ran a 3:55 in HS in the early 60s

Being one of the better milers in the USA isn't relevant to being to a better miler in NYC.

I assume you mean Ryun.

killermike wrote:

Literal Rubbish wrote:

Different cultures, proclivities and genetic compositions equate to different outcomes. You're not comparing like systems.

That wouldn't make me a racist. Maybe the comparison isn't a like comparison, but that doesn't imply that I'm a racist.

You're implying (at minimum) that the ideal nations are those dominated by whites. Sounds racist or ignorant to me.

I'm not exactly sure what to make of this word soup. The first public high school appeared in 1821, so public education has seen us go from a time when the average person didn't have a high school diploma to a time when well over 80% of the population has one. I can't possibly think you actually believe that the majority of people would be giving comparable educations to their children in their homes or that such a system would lead to a comparably educated population.

The issue of healthcare access isn't just a question of whether one can see a doctor. The primary advances in modern medicine are on the prescription drug side, and the ability to see a doctor isn't of much use if you can't actually obtain any of the drugs that the doctor says you need. I'm not sure how the fact that life expectancy had risen by 50% prior to M&M is relevant. I'm not arguing that Medicare is solely responsible for us living into our 70s. I'm saying that retired people having health insurance is better than them not having insurance, and many of them would not have it if not for Medicare.

Literal Rubbish wrote:

You're implying (at minimum) that the ideal nations are those dominated by whites. Sounds racist or ignorant to me.

No, I haven't said anything about "ideal nations." I am specifically discussing education attainment of various nations. It is objective fact that Finland has a high literacy rate. That is a demonstrable fact, and me believing that fact doesn't make me a racist.

Are you trolling?

killermike wrote:

Literal Rubbish wrote:

You're implying (at minimum) that the ideal nations are those dominated by whites. Sounds racist or ignorant to me.

No, I haven't said anything about "ideal nations." I am specifically discussing education attainment of various nations. It is objective fact that Finland has a high literacy rate. That is a demonstrable fact, and me believing that fact doesn't make me a racist.

Are you trolling?

Have you considered that familial and cultural differences, particularly those which occur at home, may be responsible for those outcomes?

Have you ever considered why so many Asians are qualified musicians, scientists or mathematicians? Have you considered why the Kalenjin people are superior runners? These distinctions are forged at home and within families and communities that prioritize these affairs. While some communities may not produce the optimal numerical or evaluable outcomes, the object of life is ordinarily sacrificed in pursuit of such a purely academic survey. Whether by estimation of life expectancy, educational attainment, income or whatever, the surveyor can quickly sacrifice the purpose of life in attempting to bolster an academic thesis. This is why it is incumbent upon the disciplined surveyor to properly qualify his or her remarks before issuing prescriptions.

killermike wrote:

Literal Rubbish wrote:

Those nations also have virtually no Mexicans or blacks, you racist!

How does that make me a racist?

It doesn't, you're dealing with a Richard Spencer fan boy. Whatever happened Spencer anayway? He's gone very quiet.

Literal Rubbish wrote:

Have you considered that familial and cultural differences, particularly those which occur at home, may be responsible for those outcomes?

Have you ever considered why so many Asians are qualified musicians, scientists or mathematicians? Have you considered why the Kalenjin people are superior runners? These distinctions are forged at home and within families and communities that prioritize these affairs. While some communities may not produce the optimal numerical or evaluable outcomes, the object of life is ordinarily sacrificed in pursuit of such a purely academic survey. Whether by estimation of life expectancy, educational attainment, income or whatever, the surveyor can quickly sacrifice the purpose of life in attempting to bolster an academic thesis. This is why it is incumbent upon the disciplined surveyor to properly qualify his or her remarks before issuing prescriptions.

You are the one who posited literacy rankings as a proxy for education system quality. So when I respond showing that the nations with the highest literacy rates have socialized education, you respond by saying that using those metrics is racist? Then why did you propose to use them?

And I disagree completely with your explanations for why these trends exist, but that's a totally different conversation. We don't need to get into the weeds on why Asians score higher on IQ tests or why Africans run faster. None of that is material.

Ciro wrote:

killermike wrote:

How does that make me a racist?

It doesn't, you're dealing with a Richard Spencer fan boy. Whatever happened Spencer anayway? He's gone very quiet.

The individual associated with the account "Ciro" has been spotted daily across many threads, thoroughly dismissed as a troll who spends his entire day on LetsRun. Comments under this account reflect a record of ad hominem, straw man and red herring fallacies, among others.

Brilliant detective work.

It is material. You resist that conversation strictly because you have no insight to offer on the matter. You're the common man who's eager to shoot above his station and punch above his weight class. You know nothing of the culture that has driven Asians and Scandinavians to excel in those domains. If you do, you're being completely dishonest about the reasons for their successes. You intransigently ignore or naively overlook the influential dynamics of the household and family values which accompany these outcomes. You're placing the proverbial cart before the horse. Just as Keynesian economists misidentify spending as the catalyst for economic growth, whereas production and subsequent intelligent investment underlie it, you underestimate a civilization's atomic prioritization of education to instead stress the expressed symptom of that real and accountable investment. But it is not the mere financial investment that drives the outcomes; they follow from the foundational respect and prioritization which are incidentally expressed through those measures. Just as you cannot spend until something is produced, you cannot invest in education without the determination of students and their everyday mentors.

icrlp05 wrote:

https://youtu.be/p4ozAACcc8I?t=861

Note: The video is time to take you directly to the quote.

Bernie is asked early in this video (about 2:35 mark) about being "in the 1%" because he made a million dollars in past years, and he is asked "will you pay your fair share and how do you plan on applying your policy to top earners?"

Bernie avoids directly answering the question and starts to harp on billionaires and amazon, etc.

For the life of me I don't understand why he didn't just say "Yes, as a wealthy person I think I should pay a higher tax rate, along with other people much more wealthy than me, so that we can provide for universal health care...etc. etc. for those who are less fortunate than us."

It seems to me that if you are trying to push for a bigger socialist level safety net, why you wouldn't just say you are willing to pay for it. Wouldn't this make him look good by making it seem like he wants to lead by example?

Instead he just continues to avoid answering the follow up question directly. See his response to follow up questions on this topic at 5:20, 6:40, and 7:50.

It's like pulling teeth to get a straight answer. I know all politicians are in the habit of answering the question they wish they were asked instead of answering the question they were actually asked. But in this case, couldn't he just answer the question as asked, and still look good and promote his policy view?

"Crazy Bernie" is a fitting epithet.

So let me get this straight. You posted the fact that the US was low in literacy rankings as a counterargument to the idea that socialized education has been successful. When I responded by showing that literally every country above the US also has socialized education, I was being a racist because those countries are white? If going off of literacy rankings is racist, why did you propose it?

Also, why are you insulting me? You don't know anything about me. I could have a PhD on this topic for all you know. Keep in mind, I am not the one who is saying their education system is the reason for their success. YOU are the one who connected literacy rates and education systems.

I guess we have to spell the joke out wrote:

You complemented countries with and overwhelming majority white populations.

When Trump implicitly did the same thing by asking "why can't we get more immigrants from Norway?" Everyone in the TDS afflicted corporate (enemy of the people) media called Trump a "Racist."

This was during the infamous "s---hole countries" comment. Remember? Even retarded never-Trumper republicans like Mia Love were on CNN calling Trump a racist.

1. I didn't "compliment" those countries. I posted them as a response to the idea that socialized education has failed because of the USA's literacy ranking. Every country above us also has socialized education, so our ranking can't be an indictment of socialized education.

2. What the hell does Trump have to do with anything?

Bernie Lean wrote:

This checks out based on the research in the linked article.

Give him credit - seems like in this case a candidate is actually accurately assessing his running prowess.

Fast running hasn't helped his psyco lib ideas!