Better Career: Andrew Wheating or Jakob Ingebrigtsen?

longjack wrote:

in hindsight, maybe it would have been best for wheating, injury wise to take more time out, and not train like a miler, but more an 800 specialist, and also try and get the 400 down to 47 low or even 46,

no doubt wheating was an AR candidate in the 8, and maybe 141. he was that good.

coaches consider moving guys down, not always up.

You sound knowledgeable, much more than Lanana and Rowland it seems. Care to share Wheating's training with us or are you just speculating as usual?

A career is best assessed also by the number of seasons at top notch level.

Jakob has only one season at a high international level. What is all the type about? Really?

rojo wrote:

artojas wrote:

Nobody from USA will EVER beat Jakob as long as he gonna be running. Jakob will also hit sub 13:00 before Chelimo.

For the haters:

European 1500m is tougher than USA 1500m. Jakob closed in 53.64 for 3:38 and Centro closed in 53.59 for 3:43.

Also European 5000m is tougher than USA 5000m. Jakob closed in 54.09 for 13:17 while Chelimo closed in 55.78 for 13:29.

Hard facts, mic drop.

This actually is a great post.

The biggest thing going against it is one was in June in an off year with nothing on the line and on is in August. Get backto me when Jakob beats Chelimo in a 5k. He already owns Centro in the 1500.

This thread is about Wheating vs Jakob what has Chelimo got to do with this.

But since you brought it up what times did Chelimo run at '17' when he was in Nairobi?

ukathleticscoach wrote:

rojo wrote:

This actually is a great post.

The biggest thing going against it is one was in June in an off year with nothing on the line and on is in August. Get backto me when Jakob beats Chelimo in a 5k. He already owns Centro in the 1500.

This thread is about Wheating vs Jakob what has Chelimo got to do with this.

But since you brought it up what times did Chelimo run at '17' when he was in Nairobi?

Comparing Chelimo, because that is the only runner in the US, that could beat Jakob this year. Comparing Jakob to Wheating is not even funny.

Semiler wrote:

A career is best assessed also by the number of seasons at top notch level.

Jakob has only one season at a high international level. What is all the type about? Really?

Jakob is 17 - hard to have multiple seasons competing at a high international level when you're only 17. Wheating, on the other hand, had a stellar 2010 season and that was it. His '08 season is decent but i won't call it 'high international level' (didn't make it out the first round) and after 2010 is just strings of seasons of mediocrity. Doesn't matter though - Jakobs performances so far, especially in championship races, already surpassed Wheating's.

Semiler wrote:

A career is best assessed also by the number of seasons at top notch level.

Jakob has only one season at a high international level. What is all the type about? Really?

Exactly. One season. A really great season for a an almost 18 year old. He is overhyped because he is WHITE.

Wheating had more upside at 1500m than Jakob due to superior speed but Jakob has the engine to one day run 13 flat and 27 flat.

One day run 13 flat?

Gjert confirmed that he is already at 13 flat. It is just a matter of entry in the right race, and it will not hallen this season. I think he will do 12:17 in the future. He will be running 60s laps as his lactate threshold pace.

I also think he will run 3:25+ in 2024.

Semiler wrote:

One day run 13 flat?

Gjert confirmed that he is already at 13 flat. It is just a matter of entry in the right race, and it will not hallen this season. I think he will do 12:17 in the future. He will be running 60s laps as his lactate threshold pace.

I also think he will run 3:25+ in 2024.

No way. 3:28 and 12:49 at best. Both would be european records.

He is already at sub 3:30 in perfect conditions. I believe 3:28 high already next year stepping on the heals of Timothy.

Semiler wrote:

He is already at sub 3:30 in perfect conditions. I believe 3:28 high already next year stepping on the heals of Timothy.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. It doesn't get any better than this years Monaco and Jakob definetely ran his best. Don't be surprised to see some 3:33 and 3:34 next year, my guess is, that the main improvement will achieved be in 5000m.

Also, do not write Filip off. His clock is ticking and if anything he is first to get that 3:29.

Who thought Jakob would run 3:31 this year?

He will probably grow a cm before next season and still benefit from natural progress due to growth.

It’s not a matter of luck. For Wheating, it was a matter of not boozing every morning in the mansion his daddy bought him. Anyone close to the guy knew he needed help, and to not be dependent on drinking.

There is a guy on here who still believes Cain has had a better career than Jakob.

Let's all remember that Alexi Pappas qualified for the olympics.....

the 2-time Olympian argument isn't the best one to make, although it's definitely valid

False brothers wrote:

It’s not a matter of luck. For Wheating, it was a matter of not boozing every morning in the mansion his daddy bought him. Anyone close to the guy knew he needed help, and to not be dependent on drinking.

Mansion? I know it's Eugene and all, but seriously: Have you seen that place?

Andrew ran the "easiest" sub-4 mile I've ever seen in an evening event at Hayward. I don't remember if it was Oregon Twilight or the Pre distance carnival, but it honestly looked like he was jogging the whole thing. At that time I thought how easy it must be for him to run 4:45 pace and I wondered why he didn't just become a marathon specialist.

In the loop wrote:

Andrew ran the "easiest" sub-4 mile I've ever seen in an evening event at Hayward. I don't remember if it was Oregon Twilight or the Pre distance carnival, but it honestly looked like he was jogging the whole thing. At that time I thought how easy it must be for him to run 4:45 pace and I wondered why he didn't just become a marathon specialist.

that's probably because he has a very fluid, beautiful stride. some people just look better running than others. (Bernard Lagat's stride is more graceful than every human being on earth, haha)

Bekele running 4:10 pace versus Tadesse running 4:10 pace is a completely different look, despite being the same pace. youtube that

on and on

wheating was a powerful yet smooth runner in his good days, which is why it probably looks easy. some great talents just have that and it's very cool you got to see it!

Semiler wrote:

One day run 13 flat?

Gjert confirmed that he is already at 13 flat. It is just a matter of entry in the right race, and it will not hallen this season. I think he will do 12:17 in the future. He will be running 60s laps as his lactate threshold pace.

I also think he will run 3:25+ in 2024.

Jakob will NEVER run faster than 3:30 and 12:55. This is the reality.