Deanouk wrote:
Lol. You lost all credibility by trying to excuse Beyer's drug use because his government happened to keep files on it!
You mention David Jenkins, who everyone has heard of. But that is one name. How many Brits were banned for doping during the 80's, lets say compared to the US?
LOL at you! My point about Beyer was either completely over your head or you think that for doping to exist in the 1980s there had to be government file on it!! That sort of of logic is not really credible. Sure, everyone has heard of David Jenkins - he had to set up a steroid factory in Mexico - who do you think all of his clients were?
Deanouk wrote:
You also have a lack of knowledge of the era. Straub was long retired before the LA Games, so no threat from him there. Kirov as a threat is a joke. The best of the GDR athletes over 1500 in 84 was Busse, and he was destroyed by Coe 10 days later in Zurich.
You are just one of those self-proclaimed message board experts but you cannot accept it when other people just as knowledgeable as you hold a different opinion. Where do you think the motivation was for Straub and the other Eastern Europeans when they knew that not be competing in LA in 1984? You don't think that impacted their training? Busse would have been recovering after his 1500m victory at the 1984 Friendship Games which was after the LA Olympics so he had less time to recover than Coe so both of them competing afterwards was not really relevant. Kirov was a silver medalist at the 1982 European 1500m champs making his European 1500m championship record just as good as that of Coe. He beat Abascal in this race and Abascal gave Coe and Cram a run for their money in 1984. Again his motivation for 1984 would have been curtailed as he would have known his country was going to boycott the 1984 Olympics. So saying that Kirov's threat to the medals was a "joke" only demonstrates a prejudice or ignorance on your behalf (I cannot tell which from from your posts TBH).
Deanouk wrote:
Coe also beat all those missing from the Moscow final ~ Scott, Walker, etc, in Zurich a week or so after the Games. They would have been more rested than Coe who had run 6 races in 9 days, and he destroyed them.
Again where was the motivation for the 1980 season for athletes whose nations had boycotted the Oympics? Besides beating someone in one race is not the same as having to compete against all those athletes in the qualifying heats and finals of a major championship. If Coe was so much better than everyone else and in a different league as you always try to imply why was he not destroying everyone in the none majorly boycotted championships in 1983 (like Cram did), 1987, or 1988?
Deanouk wrote:
You make excuses for Gonzales being injured prior to LA, implying he might have won without the injury. Well that's a game anyone can play. Without the illness in 82 and 83, I could claim Coe would have won the European and World titles; he'd certainly a better pedigree and record at Champs than Gonzales.
No I bring up Gonzales' injury as it the game you always play with Coe as an excuse whenever he was not able to perform. And yes an unfit Gonzales did impact the quality of the 1984 Olympic 1500m. As I said several times now these problems affected virtually every middle distance runner competing at the very top level in Coe's era - that is the risk that top middle distance runners ran (pardon the pun) when pushing the body to its limits in elite level training. As it happens Gonzales even with his injury problems and illnesses (like Coe and everyone else had) has a global non-boycotted championship medal, something that is missing from Coe's résumé. BTW Gonzales' medal haul from major track championships is numerically the same as that of Coe.