Has Centro SURPASSED Webb???????

Centro

Sourced wrote:

However, Matthew's career is still on the upswing, and will most likely see him run 3:29, 13:0x (or 12:5x in the right race) and perhaps a 1:43 in the next two years.

LOL you think Centro can break 13 in the 5k?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

way better, webb had like two decent races.

embarrassing you wrote:

Webb was facing much better competition, and those guys were most likely doping too.

Centro is racing against much weaker opponents.

Care to try and explain how Webb's competition was so much better?

12 Fastest in 2007

1 03:30.54 Alan WEBB

2 03:30.92 Tarek BOUKENSA

3 03:31.01 Mehdi BAALA

4 03:31.18 Shedrack Kibet KORIR

5 03:31.49 Belal Ali MANSOOR

6 03:31.58 Alex Kipchirchir RONO

7 03:31.73 Augustine Kiprono CHOGE

8 03:31.75 Daniel Kipchirchir KOMEN

9 03:31.89 Suleiman Kipses SIMOTWO

10 03:32.13 Youssef BABA

11 03:32.18 Juan Carlos HIGUERO

12 03:32.35 Kenenisa BEKELE

12 Fastest in 2015

1 03:26.69 Asbel KIPROP

2 03:28.75 Taoufik MAKHLOUFI

3 03:28.79 Abdalaati IGUIDER

4 03:28.93 Mohamed FARAH

5 03:29.66 Nicholas WILLIS

6 03:29.67 Elijah Motonei MANANGOI

7 03:30.10 Robert Kiptoo BIWOTT

8 03:30.12 Silas KIPLAGAT

9 03:30.17 Ayanleh SOULEIMAN

10 03:30.29 Aman WOTE

11 03:30.34 Collins CHEBOI

12 03:30.40 Matthew CENTROWITZ

ctrlaltdel wrote:

Care to try and explain how Webb's competition was so much better?

12 Fastest in 2007

1 03:30.54 Alan WEBB

12 Fastest in 2015

12 03:30.40 Matthew CENTROWITZ

Webb #1

Centro #12

/eot

No.

WEBB WAS THE COMPETITION. 12th in the world is an also ran.

karmaking wrote:

of course he did wrote:

webb is a much better/gracious athlete and person, but centrowitz has had, by far, the better career. there's no argument.

And you have come to his conclusion based on what you have seen of these people on TV? If you (and anyone else) like Alan Webb for whatever reason, good for you, but that does not make him a better person than Centro or anybody else for that matter. Unless you know them both personally, I don't see how you're able to make that sort of judgment. That would be like me saying you're the worst kind of idiot just because you made one idiotic post on letsrun.

He came to that conclusion because everybody is a better person than centro. Even Hitler was a better person than the midget guido punkassbitch doping cheater centro.

And how did that top time work out for him in the WC? Centro has beaten a lots of guys faster than him to win championship medals. Webb lost to guys slower than him when it counted. He did not even advance to the Olympic final.

The argument that Webb is better because he PRed in wins is awesomely stupid, as Centro is clearly the better racer. And I highly doubt Webb is beating Centro 9 times out of 10. What's he going to do, sit and kick? Centro has proven to be much better at that game. Run hard from the gun? You need rabbits, and rabbits are public use--their PRs are very close and thus the result would be very close in a time trial-type race. I'd say they're pretty even right now. Webb's DL win was impressive, but that's about it. It would be pretty gloom to think Centro won't at least dip under 3:30, and being that his contract most certainly has an AR bonus, I'm sure we'll see an attempt in the coming years.

kimani wrote:

The argument that Webb is better because he PRed in wins is awesomely stupid, as Centro is clearly the better racer. And I highly doubt Webb is beating Centro 9 times out of 10. What's he going to do, sit and kick? Centro has proven to be much better at that game. Run hard from the gun? You need rabbits, and rabbits are public use--their PRs are very close and thus the result would be very close in a time trial-type race. I'd say they're pretty even right now. Webb's DL win was impressive, but that's about it. It would be pretty gloom to think Centro won't at least dip under 3:30, and being that his contract most certainly has an AR bonus, I'm sure we'll see an attempt in the coming years.

Ugh. I can only assume you're a troll. In any case, I'm bored, so I'll reply.

When Webb was at his best he outkicked *Lagat*. And not 41 year old Lagat, who, still outkicked the best 5000 meter runners in the country. He outkicked 32 year old Lagat. A Lagat who won the 1500/5000 WC double.

Webb had a better 1000, 800, and 400 than Centrowitz. And, oh, by the way, the best 100/mile. Yes. Webb 9/10. He was better in run from the gun races. At his best, he was the better kicker.

Case closed.

kimani wrote:

The argument that Webb is better because he PRed in wins is awesomely stupid, as Centro is clearly the better racer. And I highly doubt Webb is beating Centro 9 times out of 10. What's he going to do, sit and kick? Centro has proven to be much better at that game. Run hard from the gun? You need rabbits, and rabbits are public use--their PRs are very close and thus the result would be very close in a time trial-type race. I'd say they're pretty even right now. Webb's DL win was impressive, but that's about it. It would be pretty gloom to think Centro won't at least dip under 3:30, and being that his contract most certainly has an AR bonus, I'm sure we'll see an attempt in the coming years.

I disagree. While Centro is definitely the better racer and has already had a much longer career (Webb only had three healthy seasons as a pro, and yet still hit all those ridiculous times and won several big races) and has medals, you throw those two in one on one and Centro the racer would get toasted alive. Centro is a tactician, Webb was just a monster. Imagine if Webb had been in 3:26/7 races like Centro has had: instead of Centro being pulled to 3:30/3:31 times Webb woulda been pulled to 3:28/3:29 times because he ran 3:30/3:31 times on his own. In a tactical race Centro might win, but one on one no way. Like the other poster said, Webb wins 9 times out of 10.

They both sucked at the discus.

One thing you have to remember is when Webb ran 3:53 in high school that was the fastest mile run by ANY AMERICAN PERIOD in over 8 years.

Webb was a Massive talent and United States pro system wasn't ready at the time to foster that talent.

Also it may have been a brief moment but in 2007 you can at least say that Alan Webb for a period was the best 1500m/Miler in the world at the time.

Case not closed. Yes, Webb outkicked Lagat, who was far closer to his 3:26 form than he is now--but where was that when it mattered, during WC's? And if it's such a badge of honor to have outkicked Lagat, then it should be mentioned that Centrowitz did the same back in 2011.

To be fair, that was four years later, and Lagat was starting to show some signs of age by that point (compounded by his 5k training). However, Centrowitz was able to turn that USA Champs performance into a World Championship medal--which is a lot more than Webb managed to do.

This debate really does come down to what you value more: times or racing. But if times are all you care about, then why do you care where Centro finished in a race where he ran his PR? Or why do you care about the World Champs or the Olympics?

MarcusAurelius wrote:

One thing you have to remember is when Webb ran 3:53 in high school that was the fastest mile run by ANY AMERICAN PERIOD in over 8 years.

Webb was a Massive talent and United States pro system wasn't ready at the time to foster that talent.

Also it may have been a brief moment but in 2007 you can at least say that Alan Webb for a period was the best 1500m/Miler in the world at the time.

This is a great point, the coaches in america had no clue what to do with someone as talented as webb. There was no pro system of any sort set up for him.

Now, centro is 100% pampered by nike and salazar. all the fanciest technology and thyroid medicine you could ever want.

of course he did wrote:

to me, the only important thing is winning medals/championships as a career.

I appreciate this perspective but I don't feel it should be the ONLY thing to judge a career by, because medals don't tell the whole story. There is no way Rupp's silver is worth as much as Sihine's or Tergat's.

Webb has records, a diamond league win, and US titles vs a younger Lagat. Centro has no records, no quality wins, and bronze & silver against arguably weak fields. How much of a "master tactician" are you if you never win anything? You even said it's all about winning. Centro does not have the tools to win. Ever. Period. He is a career bronze medalist, which is why I judge Webb to be the better runner, even in spite his lack of championship success. Centro has gotten as much as he can out of his ability, but it is a lesser ability.

I'm a fan of both runners. I sincerely hope Centro can prove me wrong.

Alan is a great guy, but somewhere along the line he must have gotten some bad advice that led to this

http://www.runnerspace.com/members/images/4/954_full.jpg

I don't really blame him for it, someone must have gotten into his head, "everyone is doing it" or "it's totally legal", but the truth of the matter is it did happen.

Discus. wrote:

Is Centro better than Webb?

To this point centro has had a better career at 1500/mile, but webb has had a better career at all other distances. Overall it is pretty close when you combine the two.