Come on....you expect these guys to come up with a how? You are grossly overestimating their intelligence. MO is to make up wild accusations and hate on everyone like cowsh*t flying off a tractor tire. Reasoning is not in the the thought process...
Come on....you expect these guys to come up with a how? You are grossly overestimating their intelligence. MO is to make up wild accusations and hate on everyone like cowsh*t flying off a tractor tire. Reasoning is not in the the thought process...
Peace Out wrote:
Sliced Open wrote:If you're going to fix the race, might as well pick a fast blonde.
I hate to say it/think it, but the "fixed race" theory does make sense, and with Meb, not Ryan Hall. It would be wwwaaaayyyy too obvious if they let a whitey win the Boston marathon. It honestly never occurred to me that this race was fixed until I saw this thread, but I do think it's quite possible.
But yeah, I cried when Meb won (when he started crying) and I'm not even American.
Ok, so let me get this straight:
You didn't even consider for a moment that this race was a setup (likely because you're not a weak-minded, narcissistic, cyncical half-wit,) until the idea was posited here, on this long-known bastion of sometimes utterly hare-brained thought by someone who is as relentless as they are stupid and ill-willed.
But now, in light of this brilliant, and so well-defended (sarcasm implied and intended) theory that will surely earn the poster a Nobel, if not brief notoriety in this sophisticated arena, you've allowed that idea to seem plausible.
I must say, I applaud your ability to throw all reason to the side, your sheer will and dislike of all that may be good in the sport (ah, yes, my judgment must be skewed by blind positivity) combined with the openness which seeks give all opinions their due respect - no matter how utterly stupid and ill-conceived - their day.
So, if you'll allow such a complex set of clues to lead you to supporting the theory of The Crying Man (who no doubt is as broken as he is due to some sort of "Crying Game" situation in his past,) please consider mine, as crazy as it is (and mind you, I may have borrowed a bit of it from something I like to call "reality"):
It's Boston. It's going to be a little warm. It's a stacked field. It didn't go out "pedestrian," only merely a bit conservative. One guy goes who's not exactly the heaviest hitter in the group, goes. The old guy, who'd almost blown up at the 1/2 Championships and is 39, chases him. By the time the rest of the group decides to work together to go get them, it's too late, even though one guy from said group did give chase and almost catch the both of them. What ends up is a warmish day on a course that, up until a few years ago, saw the fastest men in the world find it hard to break 2:08 and, lo and behold, you've got the most experienced, perhaps even toughest, marathoner of the group, taking it in what ultimately amounts to a very good time, historically.
Does is make for a slightly unusual story of how the Boston Marathon went? Sure, but no more so than last year being won in 2:10 when the field included Micah Kogo and Wesley Korir.
The long and short of it is this:
I'm glad you threw your support behind this unbelievably cynical and moronic theory, because it rather perfectly illustrates how conspiracy theories make roots. One nutjob egotist with no grasp of social science comes up with it, lets it loose, and then some well-intentioned, tolerant individuals with the zeal for the imaginative and outside-the-box thinking chime in to say "Hey, I never thought about that, but I suppose it's within the realm of possibility..."
Yeah, lots of things are within the realm of possibility. It's possible that a million cows could balance on the head of a tack, but it's not likely to happen. It's possible that we didn't land on the moon, but it would be astonishing that such a secret could be kept, given the ones that aren't (but oh, isn't that all just part of the grand disinformation plan!)
So, before you go giving people like the Crying Man credibility, I implore you to use your head. The more you do, the sooner people like this guy can get the help they need as they see that they are indeed a one-man audience.
"Alex Jones' 3rd chin" Good one.
+1
One of the greatest races I've ever seen. This was the Miracle on Ice, the Bills comeback against Houston, Hoosiers, Tom Watson almost winning the British Open. This shows how great racing can be without rabbits. I watched Rotterdam and London, which, compared to this year's Boston, were double-A baseball. Who will ever forget Meb turning onto Boylston and crossing himself? He transcends all of the current overpaid whiners who dominate mainstream professional sports. The last time I was this moved by a race was Joanie 1984. They have in common that they risked everything to get the win. Meb revised relativity theory: 2:08 is better than 2:04.
Linsanity wrote:
Come on....you expect these guys to come up with a how? You are grossly overestimating their intelligence. MO is to make up wild accusations and hate on everyone like cowsh*t flying off a tractor tire. Reasoning is not in the the thought process...
I see. So throwing out what you consider to be very clever insults amounts to the totality of your argument?
Very impressive!
it stings a little, the tear wrote:
If there were some sort of conspiracy, a much more plausible scenario is that one or two runners working together somehow surreptitiously compelled the pack to let Meb go during the race, knowing exactly what they were doing. That could have happened, particularly on the anniversary of the attacks, but I just don't think that's likely.
So you just said how preposterous it was, and then gave a fairly plausible description of how the race could have been thrown. Nice job. Thanks for making that point. Something has to explain no one going with a reasonable pace when conditions were fine. Probably the others didn't do what you describe but someone needs to explain why no other elite would keep a reasonable pace with Meb and just let him get a massive lead.[/quote]
No, I was saying that the classic "fix" that everyone here was talking about (organized by the BAA involving the top 10+ runners) is preposterous and statistically very unlikely.
What is possible is what happens at races all over the world from the Olympics to your local high school cross country race: two people with the same goal informally team up to affect the race of others. There is no way to say that this did or didn't happen (although it's rare). There *is* a way to say that the "fix" people are talking about very, very, very likely did not happen.
runner who professes wrote:
One of the greatest races I've ever seen. This was the Miracle on Ice, the Bills comeback against Houston, Hoosiers, Tom Watson almost winning the British Open. This shows how great racing can be without rabbits. I watched Rotterdam and London, which, compared to this year's Boston, were double-A baseball. Who will ever forget Meb turning onto Boylston and crossing himself? He transcends all of the current overpaid whiners who dominate mainstream professional sports. The last time I was this moved by a race was Joanie 1984. They have in common that they risked everything to get the win. Meb revised relativity theory: 2:08 is better than 2:04.
Agreed. I got some tears. I also shouted "Go! Go! Go!" at the TV a couple of hundred times. He WAS going to get caught. But he hung tough. Tough as nails. It was a gutsy, gutsy race. It was that near-miss right at the end that lifted it from great stuff to incredibly fine and moving stuff. He wasn't supposed to lose after hanging out in the wind that long. But suddenly he seemed destined to. I think Chebet was just burnt by the struggle of trying to reel him in. We'll never know, of course. Perhaps Chebet said, "He's a great warrior and this is his country and this year I need to let my Eritrean brother win this thing for America."
Very moving race. Heroism in action. Meb dug way down. He took a huge gamble and was willing to pay the price. AND he won. It's nice when that happens.
Good points. Bottom line is the money would have to come from Adidas or John Hancock and would never happen. The BAA Is a charity and scrambles to put on the race as it is. Conspiracy nuts are never far away.
GREEK RUNNER wrote:
It was TOTALLY FIXED.....I belleve that the real Elite runners (Mutai, Kipsang, Kebede etc) were informed that it is fixed to be won by an American and that is why they all choose London and nobody went to Boston.
I lost my interest for running all these...
Really? And so why exactly would they not say anything? To protect murica?
Not Africans but world elite of the time allowed the American to run away with the victory similar to the Meg's run away victory.
Read about LOS ANGELES MARATHON : 'Rabbit' Simply Keeps Going, and Going . . . : Running: Utah's Pilkington was expected to set the pace and then drop out. But he couldn't find a reason to stop....March 07, 1994
Think about it for a second why didn't the elite East Africans go after Meb when he made his move? Because if you're in a poor country like that and you and your countrymen make a lot of money from a sport that relies on people being your fans, you aren't going to kill the goose that lays the golden egg by going after an American who takes off like that. Not this year at least. They make a lot more friends that way.
Its just a theory but its okay for people to think outside the box once in a while. Alex Jones was sure right when he talks about people being sheep who can't step outside their comfort zone enough to think for themselves.
Standard Bearer wrote:
Good points. Bottom line is the money would have to come from Adidas or John Hancock and would never happen. The BAA Is a charity and scrambles to put on the race as it is. Conspiracy nuts are never far away.
Or while negotiating appearance fees for elite runners with their agents (in a totally private manner) you explain that you'd like to see an American "pulled to victory, like a rabbit". And thus you don't have to pay any sort of increased fee. Those that aren't on board won't come to run.
Some elite Africans agree and show up, run slow with the American men as they PR. They see Meb take off and mission accomplished, once they know he's clear they take off for second place (prize money)...but almost catch him as they start to drop to 2:06 pace...so they back off a bit and he wins by 11s.
Idontevenknow wrote:
GREEK RUNNER wrote:It was TOTALLY FIXED.....I belleve that the real Elite runners (Mutai, Kipsang, Kebede etc) were informed that it is fixed to be won by an American and that is why they all choose London and nobody went to Boston.
I lost my interest for running all these...
Really? And so why exactly would they not say anything? To protect murica?
Makes sense.
Because their agents negotiate with the race directors for appearance fees. The athletes probably didn't even know. They just magically weren't offered very much by Boston, more from London. And magically the ones who had agents that said their runners would be willing to comply all got higher fees.
The athletes that went to London probably don't even know...all they know is that Boston wasn't interested and London was.
And viola all the Africans at Boston hang back at 2:11 pace with the Americans and let a 39 year old in Sketchers race away from them at 2:10 pace!
Yes I sure did cry becuase of how FIXED this all was, but I'm happy for Meb as my countryman (Eritrea)
Meb did fantastic job making Boston proud. I watched him during hot laps at London Olympics 2012, same focus, same determined stride, similar time, 4th place way beyond any expectations. He is a born racer and have always delivered (when healthy).
What's amazing to me is number of fat bozos spilling conspiracy lunacy from their greasy couches on running message boards. You got expelled from your favourite wacko society? Time to ask them for forgiveness and go back.
BackBayCoder wrote:
Finished in the 2:30's today and as the few dozen men around me staggered in delirium to the water 500m down Boylston (WTF BAA?), we were a tried twitching lot hobbling along. At Berkeley St a volunteer with a bull horn yelled "MEB WON! MEB WON!" Then entire lot of lifeless runners myself included started dancing and chanting USA!
Makes my freaking year. Watched it on DVR after getting home and just about cried. Never thought I'd live to see this.
You did not seriously start dancing and chant USA? How incredibly lame
Superstar wrote:
Linsanity wrote:Come on....you expect these guys to come up with a how? You are grossly overestimating their intelligence. MO is to make up wild accusations and hate on everyone like cowsh*t flying off a tractor tire. Reasoning is not in the the thought process...
I see. So throwing out what you consider to be very clever insults amounts to the totality of your argument?
Very impressive!
No sir.....my argument is for someone to clarify how the race was fixed. No one has really offered up how exactly it was fixed the race and who fixed it.
Now you may see.
no. He's a nice guy and all that, but it's just a professional runner beating some other professionals. Whether or not he's American is immaterial. The whole American Strong bit is total sentimental BS - absolutely artificial. Him winning changes nothing and proves nothing about America. On an individual level, I feel happy for him, but people really need to get over themselves about the patriotism bit.
Linsanity wrote:
Superstar wrote:I see. So throwing out what you consider to be very clever insults amounts to the totality of your argument?
Very impressive!
No sir.....my argument is for someone to clarify how the race was fixed. No one has really offered up how exactly it was fixed the race and who fixed it.
Now you may see.
And multiple folks have suggested multiple scenarios. Some of them very simple, not difficult to hide, not a whole lot of money needed (or perhaps none at all)...
So, your question has already been answered.
Reading troubles?
Superstar wrote:
Linsanity wrote:No sir.....my argument is for someone to clarify how the race was fixed. No one has really offered up how exactly it was fixed the race and who fixed it.
Now you may see.
And multiple folks have suggested multiple scenarios. Some of them very simple, not difficult to hide, not a whole lot of money needed (or perhaps none at all)...
So, your question has already been answered.
Reading troubles?
Nope. Just looking for real, factual evidence that someone was paid / told to let Meb win. That has not been presented by one person anywhere in this thread, including you.
Anyone can make crazy sh!t up. Even CNN was tossing around a blackhole swallowing the Malaysian flight.