Galen Rupp in 800m at Oregon Twilight Friday

Galen Rx for the win.

I'm a distance runner who ran 1:55 and 4:11 and I consider myself to be a long distance runner. By extrapolation a 3:50 mile equates to...

My 800 speed

6.956 m/s

My 1609 speed

6.410

My 800/1609 ratio = 1.0852

Rupp's 1609 pace = 6.996m/s

6.996 * 1.0852 = 7.592 m/s = predicted 800m speed

That is 105.37 or a 1:45.37.

So 1:46 just to be safe is very reasonable for a max effort.

ok - opener in an off distance, no surprise there.

figure rupp is running a lot of miles.

figure he'll take only a few days off and have some bounce.

rupp is in moorcroft miler shape, which means he can do 146 when he's fresh and backed of the mileage for a couple or three weeks. so now 148 would figure, and 147 high would be a very good result.

145??? forget about it.

toro wrote:

But I don't think he or Salazar are even concerned about the time he runs in this 800.

I think Salazar is concerned about everything his athlete do...

Rupp is not a 800 guy. Nor is he a 5/10 guy, or a marathoner.

Dude is just a well prepped runner that has the range we all dream about.

Wish Greer or Fleet were in this race then it would be epic.

It's so cool that he's doing an 800, I hope he does well.

Do you have the same genetic traits as GR? Do you train exactly as GR? Your calculations are usless unless you are GR.

The rocket. wrote:

I'm a distance runner who ran 1:55 and 4:11 and I consider myself to be a long distance runner. By extrapolation a 3:50 mile equates to...

My 800 speed

6.956 m/s

My 1609 speed

6.410

My 800/1609 ratio = 1.0852

Rupp's 1609 pace = 6.996m/s

6.996 * 1.0852 = 7.592 m/s = predicted 800m speed

That is 105.37 or a 1:45.37.

So 1:46 just to be safe is very reasonable for a max effort.

anyone who thinks rupp cant at least beat the high school record is delusional

I wonder if that 1.08 ratio is close for most people? Anybody with extra time on their hands want to plug a bunch of people in? I'd be interested to see elite all the way back to average high school runners to see where they fell.

1:49 now

1:48 when peaked

The dude's best event is 10k. He runs a fast mile because of his crazy endurance, not his underside speed.

"In my view a more realistic line for where he may be in August

1'48 / 26"30...

1500 - 3'31.46

Mile - 3'47.95

3000 - 7'22.68

5000 - 12'42.07

In "perfect" race with even pace & wabbits"

Taking ~ 7 seconds off of Bernie's 3k and 11s off of his 5k records? That'd be a sight to see. I hope Rupp does some record chasing, but I'd be very surprised if a race was set up with the ambitious pacing that these two times would take... but I guess there are a number of people (Gebrhiwet, Gebremeskel, Koech, Alamirew...) that wouldn't shy away from a sub 12:50 pace.

USA's is June 20-23 and World's begins August 10th

So I guess Brussels ( September 9th) and maybe Monaco (July 19th) may be set up for a fast 5k.

Time will be better if he can get Alexi in his corner.

Anything under 1:48 will be good enough for a warm, windy, pollen-stirred evening.

Gotta love the way A Duck gets you people going.

bubbadeeboo wrote:

"In my view a more realistic line for where he may be in August

1'48 / 26"30...

1500 - 3'31.46

Mile - 3'47.95

3000 - 7'22.68

5000 - 12'42.07

In "perfect" race with even pace & wabbits"

Taking ~ 7 seconds off of Bernie's 3k and 11s off of his 5k records? That'd be a sight to see. I hope Rupp does some record chasing, but I'd be very surprised if a race was set up with the ambitious pacing that these two times would take... but I guess there are a number of people (Gebrhiwet, Gebremeskel, Koech, Alamirew...) that wouldn't shy away from a sub 12:50 pace.

USA's is June 20-23 and World's begins August 10th

So I guess Brussels ( September 9th) and maybe Monaco (July 19th) may be set up for a fast 5k.

There is no way Rupp (or Farah) will ever run 7:22 or 12:42 , and I doubt very much a 3:47 mile.

I'd say he could run a 1:47 800 right now and possibly a 26:40 for 10k in the height of summer.

The rocket. wrote:

I'm a distance runner who ran 1:55 and 4:11 and I consider myself to be a long distance runner. By extrapolation a 3:50 mile equates to...

My 800 speed

6.956 m/s

My 1609 speed

6.410

My 800/1609 ratio = 1.0852

Rupp's 1609 pace = 6.996m/s

6.996 * 1.0852 = 7.592 m/s = predicted 800m speed

That is 105.37 or a 1:45.37.

So 1:46 just to be safe is very reasonable for a max effort.

I disagree. I consider myself a distance runner just like Galen.

I have long jumped 6.14m and run a 2:09 800.

Using a 3:00 800 as a base we have

51s (the amount of time under 3 min)/6.14m =

8.3061 s/m.

You are saying that Galen will run a 1:45.37 which is 74.63 seconds under 3 minutes. so we have

74.63 s / 8.3061 s/m = 74.63 * 0.12039 m/s = 8.985m

Since there obviously is no way Galen can break the long jump world record, there is no way he can run a 1:45.37 800m.

Deanouk wrote:

There is no way Rupp (or Farah) will ever run 7:22 or 12:42 , and I doubt very much a 3:47 mile.

I'd say he could run a 1:47 800 right now and possibly a 26:40 for 10k in the height of summer.

Rupp ran 26:48 2 year ago. Since then he has run an early season 12:58, 3:50 indoor mile (5th fastest in history), 7:30 indoor 3k lapping people in the last 200m (6th fastest in history), olympic silver medal at 10k beating both bekele brothers.

Your predictions of what he could do is wayyyyyyyy off and based on nothing.

Rupp is right with Farah. This year he may even beat him. Farah beat a 12:46 5k guy in London. Rupp didn't recover as well from the 10k but beat him indoors and ran faster than a 12:47 5k guy at 3000m as well.

Geb ran a 3:31 1500m indoors which is about a 3:48 mile indoors. Outdoors he was worth 3:29.xx in perfect race. On par with about a 3:46.something.

No reason why Rupp will not eventually do so. He has improved every year and will continue to do so. And once again best the arbitrary limits imposed on him by onlookers.

If Galen Rupp has 48 speed with his superior 5 and 10k endurance why is it out of the question he can't run 50.x into 53.x for a 1:43.high? He is the distance runner of the future that will influence all athletes that follow. The "complete" distance runner that is well developed aerobically, strong from weight work, and fast from speed work. All of his energy systems are developed so he can be competitive with anyone at any distance from 800m-Marathon. A true athlete, true athletes are the ones that win Medals. Guys like Dathan Ritz, Ryan Hall, and the entire Schumacher group represents everything that is wrong with American Running: way to obsessive at being one dimensional.

A Duck wrote:

If Galen Rupp has 48 speed with his superior 5 and 10k endurance why is it out of the question he can't run 50.x into 53.x for a 1:43.high? He is the distance runner of the future that will influence all athletes that follow. The "complete" distance runner that is well developed aerobically, strong from weight work, and fast from speed work. All of his energy systems are developed so he can be competitive with anyone at any distance from 800m-Marathon. A true athlete, true athletes are the ones that win Medals. Guys like Dathan Ritz, Ryan Hall, and the entire Schumacher group represents everything that is wrong with American Running: way to obsessive at being one dimensional.

Not the ENTIRE Schumacher group. Ever heard of Lopez Lomong?

buddy wrote:

It's so cool that he's doing an 800, I hope he does well.

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