this is getting ridiculous..its obvious that rupp is engaging in some sort of activity thats illegal ; such as blood dopping
this is getting ridiculous..its obvious that rupp is engaging in some sort of activity thats illegal ; such as blood dopping
Montesquieu wrote:
In the case of the Rupp, Farah, and Ritz training group, I'm as confident that I can be that they are all clean. Why? Setting aside their extraordinary potential as exhibited when they were in high school (Rupp and Ritz in particular), there's this: this is not just any training group--this is NIKE'S training group. It is inconceivable to me that Phil Knight and the Nike hierarchy would permit their hallmark long distance athletes, who train on the Nike campus, who are there everyday, to bring shame upon the Nike brand.
Baahahahhahahahahahahahahaha. You're either trolling or a complete moron. Either way, I got a good laugh.
rojo wrote:
silly gooses wrote:He didnt suddenly get great, but he did recently graduate college.
(Rupp's) progression and consistency are perfect.
Rupp always is seemingly getting better. That is true.
I think the thing that surprises people the most is how he has gotten WAY faster in recent years at shorter distances.
He ran 4:01.8 in HS in 2004.
For years, he couldn't break 4:00. As recently as 2008, he was still a 4:01 guy. Sort of reminded many people of Ryan Hall - fast in HS but maybe he's really a long distance guy.
He finally breaks 4:00 for first time in 2009. Now 4 years later, he's a 3:50 indoor miler.
Here are some questions:
Who were his training partners during the 2004-2008 years?
Who have they been more recently?
When did he start focussing on speed and by that I mean he or salazar make mention of it and when did he start racing the mile and 800s seriously?
Did people seriously miss he last year of track in college? There were a few of us then that were saying rupp was giving us a preview that he was ready to jump to the world level, but of course plenty of doubters.
It was 2007 when he laid out his 27:3x to win the cardinal invite and overook solinsky at 5000 with a kick.
All the clues and progression have been there all along IF you were looking at what he was doing and where it COULD BE leading, rather than one of the types who either said he wasn't running to potential or was doing something far beyond his abilities.
Guys this cat ran 14:0x in the second half of a 10k, solo, as a freshman, after falling down, mid season. That is not usual talent folks. There have been 3:50 mile guys who would have had a hard time breaking 14:00 for a straight 5k as a freshman, let alone all alone rounding out 10, 000 meters.
Correct. He has a great talent for pace and now worked hard at this weakness - sustained speed. He came on strong as a college senior and kept going. Its not like he dropped 10 second in 6 months. Its been four years of focus on speed.
According to "Saladbar", Rupp didn't do anything special with his 3:50 mile today. Now all these jokers are saying it was so out of this world, it has to be tainted. Can't have it both ways boys!
ifififi wrote:
The thing is, how fast does someone have to run to get a PED accusation? Is there a cutoff? Or how much does someone have to improve? For Solomon, if he'd run only sub-1:44, would you still accuse him?
I'd really like to know. What do people consider suspicious improvement?
One of you said sub-2:06 marathon. So are all the 2:06 guys exempt? 2:07 guys? Or just anyone faster than Derek Clayton?
Listen you're dealing with a message board with far too many anonymous, aholian, inane tweaks.
The answer to your question is that any time anyone runs an excellent time...some bad faithed loser is going to throw out an accusation. There will be a troll, at least. And for all those who think they have a "reasonable" post "raising suspicion," not a single one of them will know all the work that goes into those performances, let alone ever lived 1 year of their life doing the running, the core work, the plyo's, the phys therapy, the ice baths, the diet, the sleep...etc. etc. etc.
Average message board rat, doesn't have a clue.
Especially the older guys.
boober wrote:
ya, i'm thinking Hall's 2:06:17 (or 59:43) are the best marks by any US runner in recent years. It says a lot that he didn't sign with nike.
Is says that the money was better with Asics.
silly gooses wrote:
If rupp doped, then you would have to say that he has been doing so for over a decade and while a high schooler living under his parents roof. The guy was a 4:01 8:0x 13:37 highschooler folks! He ran 28:15 pretty much solo as a college freshmen. I believe he fell down in the race and had a massive negative split. He didnt suddenly get great, but he did recently graduate college.
His progression and consistency are perfect.
Exactly, it has been a 12 YEAR FREAKING PROGRESSION. For 5 years people have been posting that Rupp's 1500/mile PB's were stupidly soft compared to his 10k times...
Salazar didn't start focusing on Rupp's kick and speed until year 9 of this progression.
Exactly.
You guys are not used to fast milers anymore (Scott, Falcon and others who broke 3:50 ages ago) and so you think
he is a doper. His stamina as proven with his 5/10 km times
in conjunction with a little more speed work produces 3:51.
don't forget he ran 3:34 high last year so slight shift
towards faster work is enough.
Rupp is the real deal and he will blow KB off the field.
Ventoline's calculator probably shows he can go 26:40 or so?
Coach Mo wrote:
When Galen Rupp and Mo Farah took 2nd and 1st at the Olympics, Bekele's agent, Jos Hermens, said that "science won the race." Be that as it may, Rupp has always been amazing. However, that doesn't mean he doesn't dope. Not getting injured, also, does not necessarily indicate being clean. Remember, PEDS improve recovery, and would allow for superhuman workouts to elicit superhuman fitness (and subsequent performances).
I am more suspect of Duane Solomon. I'm virtually sold on Jeter's dirtiness.
And I have no suspicion of your stupidity. --I'm convinced of it.
Do you mention advantages that Rupp has had such as being actually talented, discovered at an early age by a world class experienced coach, and kept off pavement for as much of his mileage as possible for 12 plus years now? Plyo and core work from the beginning...and about 50 other innocent "advantages" he's had that all add up to clean?
You are literally biased by your own stupidity.
Go watch the Rupp in the weight room video.
The guy has had immense CLEAN advantages that no other American runner has ever had. From day one.
You want to be jealous of those "advantages" (they are really just good fortune and smart stewardship, and we'd love it for all talented runners.)
KB isn't who he used to be.
This is an exciting result. I head that the were going for something like this, and I thought it a bit ambitious, but I know Rupp is in absolutely stunning shape right now, so may as well go for it. Had he had more competition, he might have gotten Lagat's AR.
Let's see what he does on Saturday, and then start to look back at Gebrselassie's winters from 1997-1999, when he ran 3:32.39i, 3:31.76i and 3:33.77i (winning the World Indoor title on that last one) before going on to 12:41.86/26:31.82, 12:39.36/26:22.75 and 12:49.64, respectively.
rojo wrote:
silly gooses wrote:He didnt suddenly get great, but he did recently graduate college.
(Rupp's) progression and consistency are perfect.
Rupp always is seemingly getting better. That is true.
I think the thing that surprises people the most is how he has gotten WAY faster in recent years at shorter distances.
He ran 4:01.8 in HS in 2004.
For years, he couldn't break 4:00. As recently as 2008, he was still a 4:01 guy. Sort of reminded many people of Ryan Hall - fast in HS but maybe he's really a long distance guy.
He finally breaks 4:00 for first time in 2009. Now 4 years later, he's a 3:50 indoor miler.
Really?
You are freaking shameless. For 3 years you have linked to articles, interviews and training videos about the entire change and progression of Rupp's training and racing to first get better at the 1500, to develop his kick, and develop his sprint speed.
You are either stupid or you have a personal grudge against Nike, Salazar or Rupp that you won't admit publicly.
Not only have you linked to this entire transformation in his training -- you've had people post about it before you posted this post.
There have been threads on it for years.
You sound like YOU are on drugs.
...Maybe, just maybe, when Salazar says they didn't start to focus on this shorter stuff, and Rupp's kick, and his raw speed etc. until a few years ago...it was actually the truth, duh.
You are either the lowest of low and a true embarrassment to the sport.
drug testing is better now.
yyy wrote:
drug testing is better now.
It definitely is, but that statement is irrelevant to the stats listed in my previous post.
Patrick:
Obviously you don't know this site very well, you must be new. How about this, let's post a hundred pictures of you up here. Let's have the owners encourage people to call you a doper, and a homosexual, for...let's make it an even 5 years. And then you get back to me and we'll talk about "tone."
agreed.
A Duck wrote:
Patrick:
Obviously you don't know this site very well, you must be new. How about this, let's post a hundred pictures of you up here. Let's have the owners encourage people to call you a doper, and a homosexual, for...let's make it an even 5 years. And then you get back to me and we'll talk about "tone."
Do you think there something wrong or offensive about being homosexual?
For the record, I have never gone around speculating about Galen Rupp's sexual orientation.
The number one reason why we should be suspicious of Rupp's performance is that he is coached by someone who has a history of doping at least one of his athletes.