BYU vs. Portland-WCC drama?!

12 monkeys wrote:

Sorry pal, you can't argue that they aren't fully funded and then find our that they pretty much are as fully funded as it can get for distance, and then claim that they can't get top recruits. Tell that to Dunbar. Weak stuff.

I never argued that they weren't fully funded, but you argued that since they are fully funded they should be a trophy team at Nats every year. There are many other factors that go into being able to successfully recruit the top runners in the nation other than scholarship money available. Dunbar is an outlier. Weak stuff on your part.

Looks like Rex Shields ran for Southern Utah University his freshman year and he went around 14:23. Can't give Eyestone credit for robbing talent.

No I don't think so. You are making excuses. Stop it. If a school has a full ride to give then they have a shot at anyone and everyone. It's piss poor attitudes like yours at whatever school you are associated with that keeps the top runners and good walk-ons going to the Stanfords and Oregons. Man up, guy. Weakest stuff ever.

Vortex wrote:

I never argued that they weren't fully funded, but you argued that since they are fully funded they should be a trophy team at Nats every year. There are many other factors that go into being able to successfully recruit the top runners in the nation other than scholarship money available. Dunbar is an outlier. Weak stuff on your part.[/quote]

14:23... that won't even get you to regionals. Not exactly robbing talent, but whatever. What about all the other guys? I'm just saying that I believe BYU is the most improved team from last year hands down. They finished 17th last year and lost 2 of their top 5. I don't know how they are as good as they are without giving at least a little credit to coach Eyestone and to these all american boys putting in a little blue collar hard work.

c-funk wrote:

14:23... that won't even get you to regionals. Not exactly robbing talent, but whatever. What about all the other guys? I'm just saying that I believe BYU is the most improved team from last year hands down. They finished 17th last year and lost 2 of their top 5. I don't know how they are as good as they are without giving at least a little credit to coach Eyestone and to these all american boys putting in a little blue collar hard work.

Why not give both programs a little credit for developing good runners?! Seems like a clash of two of the best 2nd-tier programs in the nation, both of which are fighting to run with the big boys at some point. Should be an awesome race regardless of the overwhelming amount of black and white thinking on this message board ;).

The boy has got some serious upside! Kersh*, that is. Looks like he ran 4:30's in HS and ran 3:56 for the 1500 last season. Blue Collar work...

This

Meet will be broadcast live here:

http://www.wccsports.com/sports/c-xc/spec-rel/102511aab.html

Tommy, Tommy,

Tommy Can you hear me?

No way LMU men should be even in the top 5, they finished 4th last year and with BYU coming in and their terrible form this year I imagine they will finish bottom three at best. They have a terrible coach who peaks them for the first two races and then watches as his whole team falls apart and gets injured[/quote]

Don't think I need my eyes checked on this one...where was the strength?

Left Coast Runner wrote:

liontamer wrote:

No way LMU men should be even in the top 5, they finished 4th last year and with BYU coming in and their terrible form this year I imagine they will finish bottom three at best. They have a terrible coach who peaks them for the first two races and then watches as his whole team falls apart and gets injured

Entirely disagree. LMU has actually never looked stronger. Not sure what results your looking at (tho pre nats was ugly) but you need your eyes checked. Stanford they beat both USF AND Santa Clara...

It's funny that when he ran for LMU at conference with a stress fracture they still got 2nd and when he ran for them again sophomore year they got 2nd again, yet when he didn't run for them they get 4th and 5th the next two years respectively...sad.

Left Coast Runner wrote:

Vancy Pants wrote:

Regardless of whether or not that is Thomas Finnigan and whether or not what he says will be true this year, LMU will still beat USD, SMC, and Pepp

THOMAS! That's the one. I saw the T and just couldn't remember... heard some rumors of training for the olympics. But from what i have heard stress fractures and losing to most of the LMU top 5 during track and xc don't bode well... sad. That weston strum could make almost anyone wanna drop out of a race.

12 monkeys wrote:

No I don't think so. You are making excuses. Stop it. If a school has a full ride to give then they have a shot at anyone and everyone. It's piss poor attitudes like yours at whatever school you are associated with that keeps the top runners and good walk-ons going to the Stanfords and Oregons. Man up, guy. Weakest stuff ever.

You have to be kidding, right? Having a full scholarship available does not give a program a shot at "anyone and everyone." There are so many variables at work in the college selection process. Do you think UP doesn't contact blue-chip recruits?

you guys are still arguing about esoteric relatively irrelevant and pointless stuff. What happened at the meet today? I only have little phone thing here and can't access results until tomorrow. So?

who won?

Byu wins it 25-32. San Francisco beats BYU easily in women's

http://www.rtspt.com/events/wcc/xc2011/