Why are all the best women attracted to such jerks?

So I assume you are going for the ugly girls with nice personalities

You need to get girls No's then arrange dates. Don't hang around for a couple of girls you know to fall for you.

Get in there and start asking all the girls you meet in your activies ofr there ohone No. If you get a no move on and keep hustling.

...plain and so simple you obviously don't see what's going on. Women like to be in control.

In short the a-holes women/girls go for are 'a-holes' who act like they've nothing to lose. In short, the bums don't give a 'crap' what the girl thinks...and it drives the girls nuts, because she knows she can't manipulate the monkey.

Get it? Girls probably don't go for you because you are too nice and 'manipulative.'

Just my opinion bro.

Hope you can "handle the truth!"

Peace

I don't feel like reading the whole thread... but I've seen a few good points made on the first page and I'll throw in my two cents:

1. those women aren't "the best women" if the guys truly are assholes, and those women are probably insecure themselves

2. women DO typically like men who have a certain amount of confidence (and don't men, too, typically prefer women who are confident rather than those who are constantly insecure and clingy etc.?), but that doesn't mean you have to be an asshole to appear confident. Being relaxed is a great way to show confidence. Being funny and putting your silly side out there is a great way to show confidence.

3. you have to find the right balance of going after women and putting yourself out there without throwing yourselves at them. Same applies to women, really. I DO NOT agree with a true "playing hard to get" strategy - not returning calls, purposefully acting uninterested... this is NOT NECESSARY despite what MANY people will tell you. It's fine to act interested. And it's fine for women to act interested. It's a turn on to me when a woman acts interested... I'm not into chasing girls. But there's a middle ground between showing genuine interest and throwing yourself at someone that you have to find.

4. as cheesy as it is, you just have to be yourself and let your good qualities shine. There is no "secret." There really aren't games to play. The sooner you just relax and realize that (healthy, mature) women want relationships and sex with good, genuine, regular guys like yourself just as much as we want the same, the sooner you will have more success. Last night, I went by myself to a bar to watch a sporting event, and a beautiful slightly older woman started talking to me and we just hit it off. She was smart - so am I. I'm good looking, which definitely helps. I dress decently well without trying too hard. It works for me. I have a girlfriend and so nothing happened, but she invited me back to her place, and all I did was show up to the bar with an open mind and put myself out there to her.

5. you have to learn to recognize when a woman is into you and also how to RETURN the interest in a subtle yet clear way. It's really not hard. You can see it in her eyes if she wants you, and you should be able to show that back. You could be missing a lot of opportunities that you aren't even paying attention to.

man with the plan lol wrote:

Why are all the best women attracted to such jerks?

I'm not sure; you'll have to ask my wife. :)

Oh, this thread again.

Women like good looking men.

Men like good looking women.

All other explanations are pretentious bull shit.

man with the plan lol wrote:help me outletsrun! surely someone here feels my pain haha, lol peace

I'm too lazy to answer as I have a deja vU on ANY website I go to on this subject

Haha!! I'm one of those jerks. Well, at least I have hot GF anyway... And I ran 13:56. Eat it!

Looking back when I was 18-24 years old that was me too. I just couldn't understand why these tough guy dumb guys where scoring the girls and I was not. I thought maybe they looked better? I did all the stuff to look the part. Maybe it was money? That wasn't it either. Maybe, just maybe it was never meant to be with those ladies? When I went with that mind-set it all changed. I tried finding woman that I got along with and could be friends with. When I was 24, I found my current wife (5 years now). I found qualities in her that I wasn't finding with other girls. Honesty, loyalty, strong character, a faith in God, got along well with my family and friends. You really have to look at the whole package.

I dated a girl before my wife for 2 years. She had cheated on her boyfriend at the time with me. She was the biggest flirt. Very pretty girl, but she would flirt with anyone. The straw that broke the camels back was when she was flirting with my brother, cousin, and friends. When I was out of town she actually kissed my cousin. I just couldn't trust her. Another girl, very pretty and kept everything really tight (body). I liked her but that is all she cared about. She came from money, so money and her appearance were top 2 on her priority list. Nice enough girl, but I could see in the future us butting heads.

Its all about being on the hunt for the right one. I was never a "bang all the chicks I can" type of guy. I just wanted to find the one who I could really love forever, and thankfully I have. It takes patience and time.

Good luck. But my best advice is forget about what other people do and focus just on you. Control the controllables.

The guy who through out the original post about confidence pretty much nails it, but I'll add to it:

Unpretentious confidence. Confidence isn't something you can just become. You either have it or you aquire it over time.

My first few girlfriends I was the lovesick romantic, overanylizing every move or development. That was 15 years and several relationships ago figuring out who I was and what I wanted and needed.

A good woman will find you when you are finally unreliant on the need to find one or the benefits of having one. Finding a w3oamn adds to your happiness, makes it better, not a destination to happiness.

The kind of women that found me attractive over the years changed with my own inner changes. I dated lot of lost women who didn't know what they wanted anymore than I did. Then they wanted more confident men.

Now at 40, I have a very intelligent, workout health nut, career-oriented beauty 7 years younger. We've been together three years. She's gorgeous, smart, loves being loved and appreciated back. We work out problems together like two reasonable adults. Sex is great, but I've had plenty by age. It's no longer the reason for being in a realtionship.

I couldn't have stood a chance with a woman like this when as the guy I was in my twenties.

When you are forty, most of your friends are full into family life. Good luck having a bunch of friends to pal with on impulse without planning a date in advance.

So you find a woman to ease the lonliness and vice versa. your share all your shit after a long week at work and cuddle in bed until Monday.

because jerks are physically attractive and confident.

Guys who say thye are "nice guys" are reserved and often "dweeby".

Nice guys who are attractive and confident/personable get women as well.

As for all of this money non-sense. Men with money and QUALITY women also have confidence, and generally are decent looking.

The money and sucess if a by product of the confidence (or viceversa in a smaller percentage of situations).

The traits that make someone successful/rich also happen to be traits that are admired by women: confidence, good looks, intelligence, humor.

People who think otherwise probably lack these traits and are making excuses. Sorry, but as my father always told me "It's not my job to tell you what you want to hear."

man with the plan lol wrote:

i've been cnotemplating this alot lately, and all i can say is that as a (fairly) fast runner, good student and good contribution to my community, i have absolutely no idea why certain women that i've currently and previous liked or even loved have been hooked up with such idiots. ive done more volunteer work in my community setting up for races and working long paid shifts like overnights, etc., yet i still see women going around with the same old idiots.

help me outletsrun! surely someone here feels my pain haha, lol peace

I'll bet any amount of money that you are putting those girls WAY up on a pedestal, and that deep down you feel inferior to them, unworthy of their affection. All the "game" tactics boil down to one simple truth: you must take those girls off of the mental pedestal you have constructed. When you do this (and it does not happen overnight), you will learn how to relate to them as real human beings, and not as the unattainable goddesses you probably see them as right now.

Believe it or not, girls do actually want to have a good time, and it is hard to do that with a guy who is bent on making himself into the grovelling, needy little lapdog rather than a "partner in crime". They appreciate it when you see them for what they are, which is as insecure, flawed human beings like everyone else. And, for bonus points, do all this while being yourself and not some lame caricature of what you imagine a smooth-talking guy is like. Then you can get the girl while not feeling like you are putting on an act all the time.