Keith:
I just hit 40. I run about a 35-36 min 10k. I do have some overstriding and heal striking. However, every attempt to go minimal has led to injury (metatarsal stress fractures and achilles issues). I have a fairly low arch and a short first metatarsal. I have been told that this makes me a bad candidate for minimal/barefoot running and improving to a solid forefoot strike. Any thoughts/experience with less than ideal feet on runners?
runn wrote:
Congratulations and thanks for reporting. How do you do it? I'm 52 and find it harder to get into consistent mileage.
What is your mileage? What type of workouts? If you don't mind sharing.
No matter what, you're an inspiration to us aging guys who have managed to stay youg enough to still run fast.
I second that request! I'm 45 and have 10 years to get into that kind of shape, would love to know your secret.
My thoughts are you should get someone to see what you are doing - perhaps short video of your barefoot landings (on a hard surface).
Sounds to me as if you MIGHT be forefoot landing and not completing the landing - ie staying on your toes instead of a progressive landing where your heel touches just before take off. That would explain both the sore metatarsals and the calf - But without seeing it that's a pure guess!
But I maintain it is the take off that determines most of what happens after so you might have to start there - whichever way some help and a side-view video is my suggestion :-)
Hi Runn and Ninetonite - pages 2 and 3 of this thread :-) A link to this month's program and some history
Cheers
You are absolutely wrong about that. The guys who are running fast now, like you, were runners who were never at the top level in their 20s and 30s. You may have been 'good' but not top flight.
Show me a single U.S. runner who was running sub 28.30 (10k) and sub. 2.15 (marathon) who is running well as a master over 45 - yes, not a single one. They are all washed up, and that is normal, because you cannot maintain a top class training schedule for more than about 10 years.
Otherwise, Kardong, Rodgers, and Shorter would all be running fast now, in their early 60s, where the opposite is true....they are getting beat by people who would have been many minutes behind them when they were at their peaks.
It is physiology and wear and tear.
Ghost in Saudi,
, apply today.
He's not a US runner but Monner has run some fast O/45 times, for e.g. 30.00 for 10k. That said I do agree most of the top O/45s tend to have not been out and out stars in their 20s. Stands to reason really. If you have hammered yourself from 20-30 to reach the top, both mind and body are probably maxed out.
Don't know Pete's history that well but I believe he was a good runner who drifted away and came back later. Seems to be a bit of a common link with a number of good age groupers.
ghost wrote:
Show me a single U.S. runner who was running sub 28.30 (10k) and sub. 2.15 (marathon) who is running well as a master over 45 - yes, not a single one.
John Tuttle
Geb has been world class for nearly two decades.
Im 46 and Im pretty sure when Im 55 I'll be able to run faster than that. Good job though
Keith just won the M55 5000m at the WMA champs:
Finals
1 Bateman, Keith M56 Australia 16:35.05
2 McPhail, Elmer M55 United States 17:00.60
3 Ramirez, Jose del Carmen M55 Colombia 17:04.47
4 Van der Hoorn, Martinus M58 Netherlands 17:06.49
5 Stevens, Gavin M55 New Zealand 17:22.14
6 Becker, Rick M56 United States 17:37.25
7 Bernhard, Tom M59 United States 17:50.32
8 Steedman, Doug M56 United States 18:27.98
9 Fernandez, Luis Ramon M59 Spain 18:31.22
10 Wolf, George M56 United States 18:59.98
11 Forrester, Perry M58 United States 19:02.15
12 Gallegos, Jesus M55 Mexico 19:06.61
13 Pedrotti, J. Kevin M55 United States 19:08.78
14 Nishimura, Lou M55 United States 19:08.80
15 Li, Jinhua M55 China 19:10.42
ghost wrote:
You are absolutely wrong about that. The guys who are running fast now, like you, were runners who were never at the top level in their 20s and 30s. You may have been 'good' but not top flight.
Show me a single U.S. runner who was running sub 28.30 (10k) and sub. 2.15 (marathon) who is running well as a master over 45 - yes, not a single one. They are all washed up, and that is normal, because you cannot maintain a top class training schedule for more than about 10 years.
Otherwise, Kardong, Rodgers, and Shorter would all be running fast now, in their early 60s, where the opposite is true....they are getting beat by people who would have been many minutes behind them when they were at their peaks.
It is physiology and wear and tear.
Ghost in Saudi,
http://www.kfupm.edu.sa, apply today.
I ran:
28:19 10k at age 27 (1984)
4:50 mile and 16:44 10k at age 51 (2008)
Confident I can still crack 5:00 and 17:00 -- ran 17:11 in May in my only track race this year.
It is true that I'm an exception to the rule, but there are others. Mike Blackmore, for example. In the interests of self-preservation, I race sparingly and try to optimize minimal training. Love running but don't have the same competitive hunger I had 30 years ago.
Milton wrote:
Im 46 and Im pretty sure when Im 55 I'll be able to run faster than that. Good job though
Really?
Thanks for putting that up - that was a tactical race - 8 laps at about 82/83 and 4 and a half much faster.
Also nabbed the 1500m in 4:12.35 (WR at last!) and then Marathon in 2:43:07 (which surprised me, pleasantly).
Now resting!
BTW: Canadian Masters videod the 1500m and sent me the link:
Congratulations fantastic run and time
It would be great if you could put up some of your training and any other running tips and how you got into the sport etc
Hi ukathleticscoach, never a problem to do that - however there is a lot on this thread I think in previous pages and here: http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3863053&page=0 - happy to add to it. Training is basically on grass - 2 speed sessions per week - eg 8 x 500m of slight hills (tue), 2 x 3.56km (lap of our park) plus 1km Thu) - Sat 6km - 12km tempo or 4 or 5 x 2km Sat and 2 hours Sunday. All with really good runners! Tue, Thu and Sat barefoot or with vibrams if cold (4-5times per year) :-)
Dude - that is an EPIC 10K time. Does KB know he doesn't have the record?
Roy Kissin wrote:
I ran:
28:19 10k at age 27 (1984)
4:50 mile and 16:44 10k at age 51 (2008)
the record is only borrowed. Make the most of it cos in 32 years I will be claiming that record dude