Seb coe avoids long runs???

From all I remember reading over the years, Seb never ran more than 10-milers.

If you read Peter Coes book you will come across the quote long slow runs make long slow runners. Peter used to target Sebs training for tempo pace instead of long distances as the current thinking is moving back to and would never really ever let him run more than 5k branding it a waste of time and shown in his later hatred of cross country. Coe does not even post a time for the 10k as It was considered detremental to his MD ambitions.

(Lactic + Short recoverys) x Speed work = Speed endurance

Long runs are not necessary for 10k and under.

bigboy wrote:

Long runs are not necessary for 10k and under.

Remember, even though 2 x 1500 olympic champion, he considered himself an 800 meter runner.

Very true. It's a tough call. Maybe unnecessary is too strong. More like over-emphasized. I say this because the long run is not race specific, except for marathons. It's my belief that for the 800-10k, they are good only during the base phase. In season, you'd be better off doing a speed workout IMO.

bigboy wrote:

Very true. It's a tough call. Maybe unnecessary is too strong. More like over-emphasized. I say this because the long run is not race specific, except for marathons. It's my belief that for the 800-10k, they are good only during the base phase. In season, you'd be better off doing a speed workout IMO.

You've got to build up your mitochondria counts somehow.

"Well I just think going beyond 90 mins of running without consuming any form of fluid is really a bad idea."

I do 15 miles in the summer and never drink water during them - I wouldn't refuse it if offered, but I don't bother taking it. I generally get in several quarts over the course of an hour before I go out. It isn't that taking water "makes you soft", it is just that if you stay well hydrated, it isn't necessary for alot of people. What do you do, take those stupid bottles with you? I used to take water only when I was going out in NM on remote trails. I know peiople who insist on taking water out on every run, but they barely drink any before running.

In the summer, I routinely lose 6+ pounds on a run.

I would say that 13 miles is pretty long for a miler.

I hate to throw out pb's to make a point, but from December to late February I build up to a weekly long run of 90 minutes. Then, from March to June, my longest run a week is 60 minutes. I still manage 4:16 for the 1600 as a junior. People take the long run way too seriously. It's all about the other 6 days and running those pecisely that makes you a good miler. And do I think I'd be going sub 4:10 if I ran long runs up until June? No. I think I'd be worse.

marlo wrote:

Well I just think going beyond 90 mins of running without consuming any form of fluid is really a bad idea.

This is taken from a running times article:

" The overall goal remains to match fluid intake with fluid loss during a run. Maintaining body mass that's within 2 to 3 percent of your pre-run weight and avoiding weight gain conveys appropriate hydration.... weight loss greater than 2 to 3 percent indicates you need to take in more fluid; your performance, especially at faster paces, starts to suffer significantly once you get past that amount of dehydration."

Drinking water on the run doesn't make you soft, it improves your performance in fact.

Oh my goodness, you read that in RUNNING TIMES? Then it must be true. Who wrote the article, Oprah Winfrey?

Geezusfreakingchrist, kid, this is a place for serious runners. 90 minute runs are over in a blink of an eye. if you feel that you need to drink during a 90 minute run then it's time for you to take up another sport -- like knitting.

Look Malmo there's no call to be so rude - I regularly knit for 2-3 hours without taking any fluids.

It doesn't refute the 'strength=speed' mantra and his regular 'long' runs were 10 miles in the cool of the Pennines, not in Australia or Death Valley.

If you can't get through 13 miles without a drink there is something wrong

That's just some NARPs opinion, no citation.... Also training isn't about performance in training, it's about performance in the race

marlo wrote:

Well I just think going beyond 90 mins of running without consuming any form of fluid is really a bad idea.

This is taken from a running times article:

" The overall goal remains to match fluid intake with fluid loss during a run. Maintaining body mass that's within 2 to 3 percent of your pre-run weight and avoiding weight gain conveys appropriate hydration.... weight loss greater than 2 to 3 percent indicates you need to take in more fluid; your performance, especially at faster paces, starts to suffer significantly once you get past that amount of dehydration."

Drinking water on the run doesn't make you soft, it improves your performance in fact.

Probably because if you have 46s /1.41 & 2.12 to your credit, why get dirty, cold and sweaty in competition? As he wrote in, in reflection, in 1982 'by age 30 I'd probably be running marathons but I didn't want to. I wanted to run 800m. I had to be getting out with the sprinters.'

Wrong. In the month of February 1988, Seb Coe was in the Italian National Center in Tirrenia, living in the Hotel Continental, together the swiss runner Wirz. He remained in Tirrenia for almost 4 weeks.

One time, he asked if I could follow him, the next day, with a car (he didn't have any car there, because the center and the forest were very near), because his plan was to run 30 km on road, going till Pisa and coming back.

I followed them with the minibus of the Italian Center. He ran at a pace of 3'22" per km, finishing in 1 h 41'.

The next day, he had a wonderful session in the gym, with a circuit of high intensity, very short recovery among every exercise, which lasted for about 1 hour.

I can say that Sebastian was the typical example of what is the main goal of training, during the Fundamental period : to do everything, in order to increase the base in every direction.

There is not some type of training which is wrong. Wrong are the PERCENTAGES of different type of training, that, approaching the competition season, must become more specific.

In training, the most important problem is not what athletes do, but what athletes DON'T DO.

Get up, shit, go to long run. That's more than 4,5 hours without drinking?