Hmm. You can't argue with the facts and call me gay? Thank you for proving that Jonathan Edwards has no valid claim on AOY.
Defend Jonathan's second and third places this year (as in "Athlete of the YEAR") as qualifying him for AOY. Defend the fact that he hasn't sniffed a WR in several years.
You want insults? Go fix your teeth and boil your dinner, you pathetic little wanker.
Catman
What are you smoking! Several individuals have provided you with enough facts that Khalid deserve AOY and not Jonathan that even a Supreme Court could not argue against it-and yet you persit! The marathon is an event that limits it elite athletes to no more than two a year and thats what Khalid did (in a manner no man have ever done before)!
I think J. Edwards is a great guy and stellar triple jumper but he doesn't deserve AOY- because he's a nice guy, a certain age, stands against drugs, and certainly not for his season this year. KHALID DESERVES AOY AND WILL WIN,
sorry catman!
Vipam
Radcliffe ran the 10K this year in was one sec off from tying women's world record. Did KK do that? No--because the men's marathon is not that deep. There may never be a triple jumper of the likes of Jonathan Edwards again. Still going strong well past his prime!!! Without a doubt he is the greatest triple jumper of all times. He is the best this year. KK is the best marathoner this year--but is he the best of all times? NO. Will he be remembered as the best of all times when he turns 35 and still be able to win one major marathon a year? Maybe--I doubt it--but maybe. Fact is--KK ran 2 marathons very fast this year--and only 2. He is the best marathoner this year. Maybe the best marathoner of all times starting this year. But JE has been the best triple jumper of all times for several years--and he is the best right now. And it is very doubtful that anyone will ever attain his longevity of greatness in any other track and field event--save for maybe the discuss and Al Oerter. To me it is ridiculous to even consider KK for what little he has done just this year. If you have to give it to a runner--I would pick El G--not KK. Because the marathon is so demanding, very few top notch athletes decide to compete in it at or before their prime. That is becasue you can become good at the marathon past your prime--so KK should have no problem matching JE when he turns 35 by winning one major marathon per year at near WR time. But for JE, most athletes endeavor to take up the sport when they are near and already at their prime because it is the event that they are best at. Only Paula Radcliffe is the exception here in taking up the marathon while still in her prime. JE is well past his prime--but he is still the best triple jumper in the world--and rated #1 this year besides. KK is a has been or a never was--take your pick--he is not one of the great athletes. Tim Montgomery is more deserving of AOY than KK is.
Catman
As a psychology major I am trying to understand you. Okay
in discussing the 2002 Athlete of the Year- it is based upon competitions an individual athlete had in that calendar year, their win-loses, quality of the competition.
While many of us agree with your opinion (Jonathan Edwards
may very well be the best triple jumper ever and indeed number one triple jumper in 2002!). He nor Tim Montgomery
or Hicham El Gueroujj accomplished what Khalid did in his two marathons.
Jonathan was and still is a great triple jumper; however,
his season does not match up to KHALID KHANNOUCHI! I hope you understand the topic and all the individuals who agree Khalid is AOY!
Bye
Vipam
Khalid was reported as running the 10000m in 2003; however,
I can't remember the article. It also so stated Khalid could run sub 27:30 and if he starts training now I agree.
The artilce also stated that he would return and focus on
the Oylmpic 2004 marathon. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY INFORMATION or opinions?
Vipam
KK would be a complete unknown were it not for the marathon. But the best athletes in their prime compete in the triple jump. The best of them could also be competitive in the long jump. Men marathon runners are just runners past their prime or incapable of being comeptitive at shorter distances. Paula is the only marathon runner that deserves AOY. She brings respect to the sport much like Jonathan Edwards does for triple jumping. KK is a disgrace next to the two of them.
catman wrote:
KK would be a complete unknown were it not for the marathon.
And JE would be completely unknown were it not for the triple jump. I don't see him long jumping 27+ feet, I don't see him doing the 110HH in 13-14 seconds, I don't see him high jumping 7+ feet. Oh, wait. I don't see him even winning his event every meet any more.
Still waiting for a point. Are you Jonathan's fan or just a stalker that likes old skinny white guys.
I guess this means you're going to call me gay again, right?
You started with the homosexual comments--what's the matter--don't like your own medicine being rammed down your throat, Hog?
You said yourself that AOY depends on the depth of the competition. Well, Edwards is winning every time out--but he still wins most of the time. And he has put forth the longest jump this year--close to his WR mark.
KK, on the other hand, has not had to deal with such depth in competition having only forced himself to perform just twice. He is not much of a competitor even for a marathoner.
For Edwards to perform as he has, he cannot take off a month at a time to recoup--but must in in shape all of the time. KK could have easily taken off at least a full month to recoup from training and to peak for just 2 races. Most likely he did do that--and when he ran his WR time--his wife was quoted as saying that he wasn't even in shape yet.
Sure--KK gets all the media publicity far surpassing anything Edwards has ever gotten in his entire career combined. So, Hog, your own opinion in this matter is greatly effected by hype--not competition, not depth of field, not what an athlete means to his sport--but hype only.
I said myself that I would seriously consider giving puase to my argument if I had a link to info about Frank Shorter having tested KK for drugs. Since I believe that drugs are prevalent in all track and field events--I feel that anyone who goes the extra mile to help clean up their sport--such as I know Paula Radcliffe and Edwards have done--then that ahtlete needs to be given extra consideration for doing well in their sport. Being the best at your event without the use of drugs I believe is extremely rare and more than warrants extra consideration of AOY. To my knowledge--KK, El G, and Tim Montgomery have not done anything at all to fight against the prevalent drug use on their sport--so all three should not be seriously considered as AOY pass Jonathan Edwards.
Even were drugs not a factor in my decision--I still feel that Jonathan Edwards should get the award. However, if Edwards was the one against drug testing and not speaking out--and KK was, then I would be for KK getting AOY and not Edwards. As it stands I think KK should get less consideration for AOY than El G, Tim Montgomery, and maybe even MM. But if he did have Shorter and crew do drug testings on him--then I WOULD change that opinion. But I would still be hesitant to put him in the same class as Jonathan Edwards--much closer though.
Catman
Please no more, your killing me. Frank Shorter nor Jonathan Edwards stance on drugs has anything to do with AOY. You know I tired being nice in my last 1/2 DOZEN post
to you; however, you just don't smell the coffee brewing.
JONATHAN EDWARDS was (PAST TENSE) a great triple jumper but he isn't the same as in his prime. He will be ranked no. 1
in the Triple Jump only because the triple jump has declined in talent. Jonathan is a GENTLEMEN but that doesn't mean he deserve AOY by any shape, form, or fashion! LET IT GO, JONATHAN (Catman)!!!
Your certainly not a distance runner, otherwise you would know elite marathoners can not run 4 and 5 marathons a year at a high level. Two (2) is ideal and Khalid beat two of the deepest fields ever assembled in a marathon outside of a WORLD or Olympic event. Catman for the love of humanity please no more, okay!!!!!!!
Vipam
You are admitting that KK is unsportsman like--he only competed twice on account of his fear of losing. Kind of reminds me of Bobby Fischer.
Edwards cares not if he wins or loses--so long as he is #1. He is a fierce competitor of the likes that we may never hear from again. Whereas KK is a cowardly drug addict who subsequently turned to the marathon upon learning that he had no backbone.
Hey, I just realized something. Were Radcliffe and Edwards to win AOY that would be two whiteys getting it--and that would not be PC. I think it is safe to say that Edwards doesn't stand a chance of winning AOY no matter what he has done. We need to promote race mixing as much as possible--so a white princess and a black brother is the only way to go (I hope KK and Paula have many children together). Sorry for my previous stupidity.
Catman
Upon observing your many post at first I thought you were a die hard J. Edwards fans; however, with your last post you cleared that up just nicely. What is: a racist jerk who
warrants no further thought! Have a nice life.
Vipam
Go Paula and Khalid: 2002 Athletes of the Year!
Vipam wrote:
Catman
Upon observing your many post at first I thought you were a die hard J. Edwards fans; however, with your last post you cleared that up just nicely. What is: a racist jerk who
warrants no further thought! Have a nice life.
Vipam
Go Paula and Khalid: 2002 Athletes of the Year!
Agreed. Edwards needs *fans* like that like he needs his legs sawn off.
Hey you dumba$ses--I am on your side now. I want KK to win AOY. We can't have two crakers win it in the same year--you stupid ho.
Hey can anyone confirm that Khalid or his wife Sandra reported as him running the 10000m in 2003. I've read it somewhere and I am wondering if anyone knows the article?
The U.S. 10000m squad whill be a exciting event next year.
Alan Culpepper, Med K., Addi A., Bob Kennedy, Dan Ritz, Brad Hauser, Clint Wells, Dan Browne, and Khalid all competing for three spots!
catman wrote:
I said myself that I would seriously consider giving puase to my argument if I had a link to info about Frank Shorter having tested KK for drugs. Since I believe that drugs are prevalent in all track and field events--I feel that anyone who goes the extra mile to help clean up their sport--such as I know Paula Radcliffe and Edwards have done--then that ahtlete needs to be given extra consideration for doing well in their sport. Being the best at your event without the use of drugs I believe is extremely rare and more than warrants extra consideration of AOY. To my knowledge--KK, El G, and Tim Montgomery have not done anything at all to fight against the prevalent drug use on their sport--so all three should not be seriously considered as AOY pass Jonathan Edwards.
Dickhead - you have no idea whatsoever if Edwards, Radcliffe or any of your other heroes have used PED's. AOY is based on performance. KK's performance has been better than Edwards.
I suspect that KKK is on drugs--so no AOY should be given to him.
catman wrote:
You are admitting that KK is unsportsman like--he only competed twice on account of his fear of losing. Kind of reminds me of Bobby Fischer.
Bobby Fischer wasn't afraid to lose: he took on the Soviet chess world and dominated, much in the same way an American needs to step up to the foreign distance competition. From the time he was 8 years old he studied 5 hours a day. If we can get someone with talent and that kind of commitment then maybe we'll have American-born runners winning some real marathons.
Fischer loved competition, he won the US Championship at 14; he was the World Champion until FIDE stripped him of his title in 1975 because of disagreements. Yes he was eccentric, but certainly not a coward.
On a running note, KK is not "unsportmanlike." Top level marathoners cannot run 8 hard marathons a year; but when you're cranking out a half-dozen 2:05's annually BE SURE TO LET US KNOW.
Letsrun posters
Could we all just forget about catman's obessive=compulsive
disorder with Jonathan Edwards! In response to 10k runner
post about 2003 U.S. Championship 10000m, I to feel it is going to be a classic. The U.S. finally have a group of distance runners we can look forward to at the Worlds and Olympics. If Sandra can get Khalid to do some good training and stay healthy I feel he have an outside shot at making the 10000m squad!
I recently posted a response to this topic and it posted, now it gone! I had no profanity or obscenity and it was deleted? Why can catman run off at the mouth like a wild lunatic and his post stay up and a perfectly sound post be deleted? Where's the justice?
Whosinsecond