She literally wrapped her hand around around Tsegay’s arm. No matter how much to shove for position you just don’t do that. Correct decision to DQ her.
Absolutely right. You can’t grab someone’s arm and keeping holding it. What the hell was Faith thinking? Faith a DQ and Target should have gotten a yellow for cutting in too early
I wouldn't be surprised if Italy put in the complaint to get Battocletti bumped into the medals. There would be no point in Ethiopia making a complaint
I don’t know whether Faith Kipyegon is actually doping, and you don’t either. The same is true for Grant Fisher.
Baselessly accusing people of PEDs and doping detracts from actually interesting conversations about professional running, such as racing and training. It encourages cynicism, including among the young runners we know use this site. It does not help the governing bodies of the sport catch any cheaters. All it does is poison the discourse, and drive people away from the sport.
Look you have a point, I won't deny that. Your assumption of 'baseless' might be the problem here though as well. You treat subjective knowledge and understanding of the sport and doping in space and time as 'baseless' in blanket fashion and that's where I want to point out to you that you are surely wrong!!! The alternative which is objective evidence such as ADVs or straight up failed drugs tests is equally bad and inferior because it has been proven true that they are actually worse at catching dopers than our own subjective knowledge and understanding of the sport and doping in space and time, you feeling me sir????
Those of us who have been in the sport for ages have our own PATENTED ANALYTIC TOOLS UNIQUE TO OUR OWN SKILLSETS, EXPERIENCES AND PERSUASIONS to subjectively still accurately pick out the dopers and their doping in space and time!!!
So while you have a point, but you also don't you feeling me sir????
'Baselessly' accusing people of doping can co-exist with healthy discussions of professional racing and training, why not????? There are many sinners walking among righteous men of the earth and they 'get along' quite well right????
I 'baselessly' condemned Fisher for doping but simultaneously elevated Nuguse for being clean as a whistle right????
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Close and emotional call. But did anyone watching live think "WTF? You can't do that." when Kipyegon grabbed Tsegay's arm? I don't think you can just allow that when it's clear on live video, or a lot of people will start doing it.
According to a verified report, it was actually the Ethiopians who filled the protest. I don’t know what motivates them to do that, b/c they are not even getting a medal even if faith is DQed. Unless there is a kind of rivalry between Kenya
After watching the contact over a dozen times, I think it is even more ridiculous that Kipyegon was disqualified.
I watched the race live and was surprised there was any DQ. After watching the replay a couple times, it seemed like it might be reasonable to DQ Kipyegon because she clearly grabbed Tsegay's arm - not just jostling but a clear grab.
BUT, after watching the replay several more times, it became clear that Kipyegon really had no choice - Tsegay was literally forcing Kipyegon off the track and with Tsegay's wide arm swing it looks like Tsegay hit the center of Kipyegon 's bib with her hand and then was slow to move her arm away because it was blocked by Kipyegon 's body.
Truly a terrible call. There is no need for officials to interfere with the results. My experience is the more officials there are the more likely there is to be bad calls and unnecessary interference in the results - the judges want to justify their pay.
Hopefully Kipyegon is reinstated on appeal a d the judges who made this terrible call are fired and not given a pay check.
Olympic races and all races should be about the athletes and not the officials.
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Henok posted a link to good images of the contact on the love thread
According to a verified report, it was actually the Ethiopians who filled the protest. I don’t know what motivates them to do that, b/c they are not even getting a medal even if faith is DQed. Unless there is a kind of rivalry between Kenya
Unless there is a rivalry? We know what motivated them. Can't beat Kipyegon on the track but can still keep her from claiming a medal.
How did Tsegays arm even get in a position for that to happen? Just take a deep breath and ask yourself that question. This is absurd.
You are getting too emotional here. It's true Gidey did not have room and Faith had a right to defend herself, but you also can't attempt to pull someone to the ground by their arm for 5 seconds.
I'm staying out of what decision should be made here. I could see them letting it go, DQ'g both, or doing what they did. Not easy on this stage and glad I don't have to make the call.
Emotional? This is the total opposite. Emotional is looking at what you see on the surface level and coming to an ultimate conclusion without even trying to put something into context.
Which will be my final point on this as we continue to see backroom weasels watching on monitors continue to impact the outcomes of global sporting events. It happened in this stadium in the Rugby World Cup final less than 12 months ago when a replay official not even in the stadium made an incorrect (and turned out by the rules of the replay irrelevant due to the timing and natural of the alleged infraction), decision that had the captain of one of the teams sent off in the sports showcase game - massively impacting it and altering the potential outcome of it. We have had exactly the same here.
The worst and most dumbfounding part about this is that the decision seems to have been adjudicated and locked in literally within 5min of the end of the race? How is this even possible? How does Kipyegon and her team not get notified of the potential that she is DQ'd and then there is some due process where both sides get to argue the case? What if new evidence came to light? What if there was an overhead camera shot that changed everything (I'm thinking of the Sagan v Cavendish tour incident when immediately after it happened everyone blamed Sagan until all views and evidence was examined and it turns out what happened was almost certainly a result of Cavendish's actions). You make this call so quickly and now obviously you can't go back - there is an Italian girl out there in tears of happiness celebrating a bronze medal.
Emotional was making this idiotic decision so quickly - what on earth was this nonsense?!
After watching the contact over a dozen times, I think it is even more ridiculous that Kipyegon was disqualified.
I watched the race live and was surprised there was any DQ. After watching the replay a couple times, it seemed like it might be reasonable to DQ Kipyegon because she clearly grabbed Tsegay's arm - not just jostling but a clear grab.
BUT, after watching the replay several more times, it became clear that Kipyegon really had no choice - Tsegay was literally forcing Kipyegon off the track and with Tsegay's wide arm swing it looks like Tsegay hit the center of Kipyegon 's bib with her hand and then was slow to move her arm away because it was blocked by Kipyegon 's body.
Truly a terrible call. There is no need for officials to interfere with the results. My experience is the more officials there are the more likely there is to be bad calls and unnecessary interference in the results - the judges want to justify their pay.
Hopefully Kipyegon is reinstated on appeal a d the judges who made this terrible call are fired and not given a pay check.
Olympic races and all races should be about the athletes and not the officials.
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Henok posted a link to good images of the contact on the love thread
Well, a tired runner does that you know??? They start trying to cause a ruckus because they believe if they are going down to doom they want to bring along 1 or 2 persons with them to their doom. It's kinda like a 'murder-suicide' approach to tired distance racing, you feeling me sir?????
You bring down people with you to 'commit suicide' together with you, and that's 'MURDER'!!!!!!!
Clearly Tsegay didn't have it today in the 5000m and before she could make her exit decided to make one last hurray and mess up her Kenyan competitor. You could see Faith lost a ton of energy and couldn't outsprint Beatrice when she absolutely smashed Beatrice at kenyan trials 5000m!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Faith on drugs doesn't ever lose in a sprint finish to Beatrice who is inferior!!!
No. It’s obvious that Faith grabbed her arm and held on to it. Sorry that is a flagrant DQ. Anyone that saw the slow motion replay could tell that Faith held on to her arm. WTF? Is this judo?
According to a verified report, it was actually the Ethiopians who filled the protest. I don’t know what motivates them to do that, b/c they are not even getting a medal even if faith is DQed. Unless there is a kind of rivalry between Kenya
Because Kipyegon’s dirty wrestling move cost Tsegay a medal, that’s why. Look at the pain Tsegay was in when it happened and immediately after. Kipyegon ruined her race.