Female boxer taps out after two punches against biological male in the Olympic boxing

no one mocked anyones religion.

Riley Gaines? You mean, the expert on everything from Nutcracker and Santa to the cause of George Flyod's death?

So Algeria let a man become a woman? Seems like that would be one of the last nations on Earth to allow that.

No. They were not kicked out of their own sport. They were suspended for one invitational meet.

But of course, the narrative is more important than facts.

Ya - this is another Caster Semenya situation. Sucks for all involved.

As many people have already pointed out, this boxer is NOT a trans person. She was born with DSD and raised as female.

"Deal with it!!"

-Dims

According to the info released by the IBA, the two athletes under discussion here - Imane Khelif or Algeria and Lin Yu-ting of Taiwan - were both disqualified from continuing to compete in the women's category based on the results of "a recognized test" that was performed on each athlete on two separate occasions in two different calendar years in two different countries:

Test performed during the IBA Women’s World Boxing Championships in Istanbul 2022.
Test performed during the IBA Women’s World Boxing Championships in New Delhi 2023.

Due to confidentiality, the exact nature of the test can't be disclosed, but the IBA has confirmed it but that it wasn't a testosterone test. Since an IBA official in the past said the athletes have XY chromosomes, presumably it was a DNA test.

Imane Khelif, now 25, would have been 23 and 24 at the time of the testing.

Lin Yu-ting, now 29, would have been 27 and 28 when tested.

Please explain to me how it's possible for anyone with an XY DSD who was mistakenly thought to be female at birth to go through all of adolescence and reach their mid or late 20s with "no idea" that they have a genetic difference that sets them apart from people who have female biology.

After all, female puberty causes girls to go through developmental milestones and begin predictable and distinclty female biological processes that are usually very hard for girls and the people around them not to notice - such as breast development, menstruation, and the physical and psychological impacts of the dramatic fluctuations in sex hormones that occur over the course of female ovulation-menstruation cycle that takes place every 28 days on average.

True, these two XY athletes in their mid-late 20s - and all the other adult XY DSD athletes who've competed and are competing in women's sports - might not have known the exact nature of their genetic difference(s) before undergoing DNA testing. But surely they - and their famlies, friends, coaches, trainers, doctors and other health-care providers - would have been tipped off that something was amiss by the fact that these athletes have all somehow made it through adolescence and well into adulthood without having a single menstrual period.

It's not just the fact that they don't go through female puberty and menstruation, but that they most definitely go through male puberty. Their face masculinizes, their body develops male physique and muscle, and their voice deepens.

The ongoing religious right argument against pronouns is you are what you are at birth. There are only two possibilities under that scenario. She is a girl or god bleeped up.

Yes, it's both together.

But I was focusing on the unmistakable milestones of female development such as ovulation and menarche because I think they are far more reliable indicators of biological sex than the signs that you mention.

After all, there are plenty of female people with faces and builds that others regard as masculine in appearance, and some women have pretty deep voices too.

Conversely, there are plenty of male people - especially ones in their teens and 20s - who have very pretty, "feminine" looking faces with delicate features, slight androgynous builds, voices that never dropped, and an "effeminate" way about them.

I pointed to the unmistakable milestones of female adolescent development that I did also because I was trying to call into question the assumptions behind the other poster's claim that prior to undergoing DNA sex testing, Imane Khelif "had no idea they had a genetic difference" that sets Khelif apart from the female population.

The poster I was replying to seemed to be suggesting that when males with DSDs are mistakenly thought to be female at birth and "raised female" in childhood, there'd never be any reason for them - or anyone around them - to question their original sex designation for the entire rest of their lives.

We're all supposed to believe that it never ever occurred to XY DSD athletes like Imane Khelif, Caster Semenya, Francince Niyonsaba and Barbra Banda - or any of these athletes' families, friends, coaches, doctors, team/federation officials - that they might not really be female after all, not even as these athletes went through adolescence and their 20s without experiencing any of the milestones of female development that are really big deals in the lives of girls and women such as the onset and regular occurrence of menstruation, ovulation and the dramatic fluctuations of sex hormones that characterize the female cycle.

Then when is Kamala Harris (or any other Democrat candidate for that matter) going to publicly oppose it or do anything at all to prevent it?

I doubt Harris or any other Democratic Party bigwig will publicly oppose it. Especially not today, the day that the Biden admin's god-awful rewrite of Title IX that turns the landmark law on its head is supposed to go into effect.

(For those unaware: Biden's new Title IX rewrite says that the currently-claimed "gender identity," not the biological sex, of students who say they are "trans" or "gender diverse" should determine which sex-segregated school restrooms, locker rooms, showers and sleeping quarters on school trips they use; and which sex-segregated school programs they participate in where those are allowed, such as girls' and boys' PE, sports and sex ed sessions/discussion groups that deal with aspects and details of male and female biology and puberty that kids are generally more comfortable addressing away from classmates of the opposite sex. But the new Title IX regulations also say that schools can't ask students to provide any proof that the gender identity they currently claim to have is real, sincerely-held and lasting; a verbal declaration of gender identity is all that's required, and schools have to take students at their word.)

But some politicians from abroad have have weighed in. From the Guardian:

Reem Alsalem, the UN Special rapporteur on violence against women and girls, expressed her concern: “Angela Carini rightly followed her instincts and prioritised her physical safety, but she and other female athletes should not have been exposed to this physical and psychological violence based on their sex,” she tweeted.

Giorgia Meloni, the Italian prime minister, weighed in, saying: “I think that athletes who have male genetic characteristics should not be admitted to women’s competitions. And not because you want to discriminate against someone, but to protect the right of female athletes to be able to compete on equal terms... from my point of view it was not an even contest.”

The Algerian Olympic Committee said on Wednesday it “strongly condemns the unethical targeting and maligning of our esteemed athlete, Imane Khelif, with baseless propaganda from certain foreign media outlets” adding: “Such attacks on her personality and dignity are deeply unfair, especially as she prepares for the pinnacle of her career at the Olympics. The COA has taken all necessary measures to protect our champion.”

Khelif stopped briefly to speak to the BBC: “I am here for gold,” the Algerian said. “I will fight anybody, I will fight them all.”

I am sure she realized at some point that she was a bit different from other girls, but she didn’t have a reason to turn her life upside down because she doesn’t subscribe to your religious belief that people should live their lives according to your definition of their sex.

The BBC ran a short segment on her a couple of hours ago (in between swimming coverage). They showed the event, the interview with the Italian boxer, then explained how the IOC had ruled differently to the usual (Russian, and therefore banned) governing body. They then spoke to an expert who spoke about the integrity of women's sport, and how it was unfair, dangerous etc. The BBC, whilst nice about it, clearly have a position.

Is this stuff really still controversial? It sucks for the intersex athlete but the notable advantage is unmistakeable.