Hocker is NOT good enough. Fanboys will be fanboys but Hocker is NOT good enough. Accept it and quit being delusional. Many of you look really stupid here.
Blow your wad elsewhere, idiot.
The question was why wouldn't Hocker put himself in contention this time around as not doing so in either Tokyo or Budapest meant the race had already gotten away from him before he could wind it up.
Hocker is NOT good enough. That is the answer. Hocker does NOT like to die in races, so he likes to have a nice kick, but he is not good enough to have that kick if he puts himself in the mix. Start paying attention.
The question was why wouldn't Hocker put himself in contention this time around as not doing so in either Tokyo or Budapest meant the race had already gotten away from him before he could wind it up.
Hocker is NOT good enough. That is the answer. Hocker does NOT like to die in races, so he likes to have a nice kick, but he is not good enough to have that kick if he puts himself in the mix. Start paying attention.
2. If Ingy falls off pace and it turns out to be a 3:29 race - Hocker is able to be in the mix with 250 to go, he has that “special sauce” in his kick that he has a real chance of winning.
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"Comfort must not be expected by folks that go a pleasuring."
Oh please. That is like saying “I am not sure how Hicham can win this race.” Jakob can win for sure, and almost none of those guys you mentioned are in his league. Of course he can be beaten, as could Hicham, but it is absurd to act like it is a low possibility that Jakob wins.
Oh please, where did I say it's a low possibility? My inference is that he will be racing a much tougher field with a wider array of skills than his losses to Wightman and Kerr. All are definitely in his league for the 1500 depending on how the race plays out. Did you say Hicham was way out of everyone's league when he lost 2 of his three Olympic finals (I'm assuming yes) or, on the flip side, that Centro had a shot with his 1500 pr going into his gold medal (I'm assuming no)?
Oh please. That is like saying “I am not sure how Hicham can win this race.” Jakob can win for sure, and almost none of those guys you mentioned are in his league. Of course he can be beaten, as could Hicham, but it is absurd to act like it is a low possibility that Jakob wins.
Oh please, where did I say it's a low possibility? My inference is that he will be racing a much tougher field with a wider array of skills than his losses to Wightman and Kerr. All are definitely in his league for the 1500 depending on how the race plays out. Did you say Hicham was way out of everyone's league when he lost 2 of his three Olympic finals (I'm assuming yes) or, on the flip side, that Centro had a shot with his 1500 pr going into his gold medal (I'm assuming no)?
You said “I am not sure how Ingebrigtsen can win this race.” That is the same thing as saying you think it is a low possibility. Please educate yourself on the meaning of words.
He's better than a sleeper pick. He needs a very specific race to pull out a medal or even win whereas the other favorites have better ability to adapt to any pace.
Everyone will be keying off Ingebrigtsen as usual, if he let's it go slow he has to be worried about Kerr, Kessler, and Hocker. If he pushes the pace he has to be worried about Kerr and Nuguse.
Yared's job is to keep the pace hot and let the chips fall where they may.
Kessler's job is to hope it turns into an 800 meter race.
Kerr's job is to wind it up from 500 meters out regardless of pace.
Hocker's job is to be there with 50 meters to go.
Not sure how Ingebrigtsen can win this race. Between a very fast 800 runner (Kessler) to incredibly strong 1500 specialists (Josh/Yared) to a very fast finisher (Hocker) he'll have a full plate. Not saying he won't win but he's in a very precarious position as the front runner. If he wins the 1500 I think he cements his GOAT status.
Not sure what you think Kessler 800 time is going to be worth in a 1500? Do you follow the sport at all? 800 speed means jack.
Basically Jakob vs the entire field can beat him by 4 100ths of a second IF Jakob is sick. He is not in "a precarious" position. He just needs to go out and do what he does.
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"Comfort must not be expected by folks that go a pleasuring."
Not sure what you think Kessler 800 time is going to be worth in a 1500? Do you follow the sport at all? 800 speed means jack.
Basically Jakob vs the entire field can beat him by 4 100ths of a second IF Jakob is sick. He is not in "a precarious" position. He just needs to go out and do what he does.
Jesus Christ you dullards are difficult to deal with (although I did upvote your lion analogy on another thread). His 800 time will be worth a lot more than jack if Ingebrigtsen decides to let the pace dawdle. It will only be a smidge more than Jack if Ingebrigtsen makes it a sub 3:29 race - in which case Kerr will get him again. See what I did there?
Also, what exactly has Ingebrigtsen done lately in Championship 1500 races except get outkicked when he tries to win it from the front? Oh, was he sick in both those races too?
Listen, I understand that you want to justify your lovefest for Jacob by discounting everyone else. I agree that Jacob deserves to be the frontrunner and if he wins this thing he is the GOAT as I said previously. I also agree that he would be the logical choice to win but this thread is geared towards our thoughts on Hocker being a sleeper - I just attempted to make my case for him and a couple others.
Now unbunch your panties and get back to what you do best...trolling.
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"Comfort must not be expected by folks that go a pleasuring."
You said “I am not sure how Ingebrigtsen can win this race.” That is the same thing as saying you think it is a low possibility. Please educate yourself on the meaning of words.
What? Ignore everything else I said and zeroing in on semantics? I said, "I am not sure how Ingebrigtsen can win this race." Meaning "I am not sure how he can win this race". Will he force it to be a sub 3:28 race? Sit back on the first lap and jump the field from there? Will he control from the front and match any move that attempts to come by him? Sit and kick? The first scenario will be very hard to pull off and in the other scenarios he's inviting trouble.
I know this is a shock but I still don't know how he can win this race. How about you? How do you think he can win this race? Time trial a 3:26 (without a rabbit and pacing lights) and drop the field? Good luck with that.
If it's a 3.29 race then i think Kessler and hocker have a better chance than Kerr of winning , but I don't really care who wins . Put some money on Hoare for a medal as he quietly gets into shape.
Not sure what you think Kessler 800 time is going to be worth in a 1500? Do you follow the sport at all? 800 speed means jack.
Basically Jakob vs the entire field can beat him by 4 100ths of a second IF Jakob is sick. He is not in "a precarious" position. He just needs to go out and do what he does.
Jesus Christ you dullards are difficult to deal with (although I did upvote your lion analogy on another thread). His 800 time will be worth a lot more than jack if Ingebrigtsen decides to let the pace dawdle. It will only be a smidge more than Jack if Ingebrigtsen makes it a sub 3:29 race - in which case Kerr will get him again. See what I did there?
Also, what exactly has Ingebrigtsen done lately in Championship 1500 races except get outkicked when he tries to win it from the front? Oh, was he sick in both those races too?
Listen, I understand that you want to justify your lovefest for Jacob by discounting everyone else. I agree that Jacob deserves to be the frontrunner and if he wins this thing he is the GOAT as I said previously. I also agree that he would be the logical choice to win but this thread is geared towards our thoughts on Hocker being a sleeper - I just attempted to make my case for him and a couple others.
Now unbunch your panties and get back to what you do best...trolling.
One of the worst trolls in LRC calling others a troll. You win the prize jefe.
He's better than a sleeper pick. He needs a very specific race to pull out a medal or even win whereas the other favorites have better ability to adapt to any pace.
Everyone will be keying off Ingebrigtsen as usual, if he let's it go slow he has to be worried about Kerr, Kessler, and Hocker. If he pushes the pace he has to be worried about Kerr and Nuguse.
Yared's job is to keep the pace hot and let the chips fall where they may.
Kessler's job is to hope it turns into an 800 meter race.
Kerr's job is to wind it up from 500 meters out regardless of pace.
Hocker's job is to be there with 50 meters to go.
Not sure how Ingebrigtsen can win this race. Between a very fast 800 runner (Kessler) to incredibly strong 1500 specialists (Josh/Yared) to a very fast finisher (Hocker) he'll have a full plate. Not saying he won't win but he's in a very precarious position as the front runner. If he wins the 1500 I think he cements his GOAT status.
Why are you bringing up Kessler as a potential spoiler for Jakob? He isn't in the top 5 contenders who might beat him, and making the final will be a good outcome. He got wrecked by Hocker at both Indoor and Outdoor USAs. Having a fast 800 time doesn't magically improve the 1500 times you've been running all year (with that 800 speed presumably in his legs the whole time).
2. If Ingy falls off pace and it turns out to be a 3:29 race - Hocker is able to be in the mix with 250 to go, he has that “special sauce” in his kick that he has a real chance of winning.
I don’t think its as clear cut as this. He was basically running that speed in Eugene 2 years back by the time he reached 700m. The problem was that he was in lane 2 for most of it. I personally think he has to expend the least amount of energy possible on the first lap and then go to the front as soon as possible to avoid running extra distance. Then he can lay the hammer down.
I am not sure why many people here think he needs to make it some super fast 3:27 race to win. Jakob said in an interview to NRK after his 3:26 that he thinks the winning time would need to be 3:29 to win Paris. He is going to employ a strategy very similar to what he did at Euros almost 100% and it will results in a 3:29 finish.
What? Ignore everything else I said and zeroing in on semantics? I said, "I am not sure how Ingebrigtsen can win this race." Meaning "I am not sure how he can win this race". Will he force it to be a sub 3:28 race? Sit back on the first lap and jump the field from there? Will he control from the front and match any move that attempts to come by him? Sit and kick? The first scenario will be very hard to pull off and in the other scenarios he's inviting trouble.
I know this is a shock but I still don't know how he can win this race. How about you? How do you think he can win this race? Time trial a 3:26 (without a rabbit and pacing lights) and drop the field? Good luck with that.
I can educate you I suppose. But I don’t know how educable you actually are. I can tell you that if I said “I don’t know how Noah Lyles can win,” that is the same as saying he has a low possibility. This is one way Jakob can win. It is. It the not the onky way. Please take notes: