Saw this guy speak once right before he got a job at Tennessee, talking about Notre Dame. He said something along the lines of ‘I develop talent I don’t get top level kids in right away’ dude lives in his own world. Dylan Jacobs was a FL champion.
Very arrogant which probably makes him a great recruiter (salesman), probably helped him in interviews for CU. But he’s not a coach that cares about young adults, people that work for him, or development. His training is decent but it’s not rocket science when you run kids very hard and see who sticks. Terrible hire IMO, and now CU will follow the likes of some other SEC schools and the Coach Prime philosophy in recruiting top talent, throwing development out the window, and only focused on performance..
If you believe the NCAA should have a professional level philosophy and performance is all that matters Sean will likely do great. If you believe NCAA should follow their mission and “Provide a world-class athletics and academic experience for student-athletes that fosters lifelong well-being.” Well Sean could give two sh*ts about well-being, and we’ve seen how many coaches that don’t care about well-being and how their practices end up. The transfer portal from Tennessee is the best indicator of all of this.
Saw this guy speak once right before he got a job at Tennessee, talking about Notre Dame. He said something along the lines of ‘I develop talent I don’t get top level kids in right away’ dude lives in his own world. Dylan Jacobs was a FL champion.
Very arrogant which probably makes him a great recruiter (salesman), probably helped him in interviews for CU. But he’s not a coach that cares about young adults, people that work for him, or development. His training is decent but it’s not rocket science when you run kids very hard and see who sticks. Terrible hire IMO, and now CU will follow the likes of some other SEC schools and the Coach Prime philosophy in recruiting top talent, throwing development out the window, and only focused on performance..
If you believe the NCAA should have a professional level philosophy and performance is all that matters Sean will likely do great. If you believe NCAA should follow their mission and “Provide a world-class athletics and academic experience for student-athletes that fosters lifelong well-being.” Well Sean could give two sh*ts about well-being, and we’ve seen how many coaches that don’t care about well-being and how their practices end up. The transfer portal from Tennessee is the best indicator of all of this.
Sad day for CU. Great day for Sean.
Sad for CU, but not for some of the the reasons you give.
You are categorically mischaracterizing Sanders. While I am not much of a F-ball fan, the era just before Sanders came on board was mediocrity, at best. The staff did not work and the players did not work. It showed. I recall clearly the Sanders set the expectation that everyone will work. And pointed out the portal was available to those not interested in doing so. For the money CU sends to ball sports, the work ethic should have been better.
This gets back to Wetmore. He was not putting in the work and was riding off of the far away past, and it showed. Just. Like. Football. Yes, CU distance was great, and unexpectedly did very well when MW first started. He did a lot. Then, over time, stopped. A ball sport coach would have been showed the door, you know like the last Football coach was. This is as much CU's athletic administration's failure as it was MW's. They let him do whatever, as, he kept his profile low, and they could continue using running to meet their NCAA/Title IX obligation(s).
However, you nailed it with Carlson. I am going to enjoy watching CSU, who has a distance coach that was an athlete at Notre Dame when Carlson was coaching there, beating CU some more, like they did this past year.
Oh, and for all the insiders that were calling this or that person had the job: what happened?
I'm a Tennessee fan and I saw Dylan Jacobs running around Knoxville a week after USA trials where he got 5th. Sean moving to Colorado is a win for his post-Collegiates as well. I don't blame him.
Tennessee has always been a sprint focused school and has a great history of elite sprinters, Ross brings that.
I agree. When has Tennessee been a distance school? They get an occasional great runner, true. I keep thinking about how Runners World tried to make Knoxville a running mecca during Todd Williams' heyday.
If considering a mixture of prestige, location, resources, history, pay, etc, here is my quick thought list (in no particular order) that extends slightly past 5
NAU
Colorado
Oregon
BYU
Arkansas
Stanford
I thought about BYU and Arkansas too.
I dismissed them and chose Stanford and Villanova because of location, and of course history.
I'd rather live in Fayetteville than Philly. History? You think Villanova has a greater history than Arkansas?
I dismissed them and chose Stanford and Villanova because of location, and of course history.
I'd rather live in Fayetteville than Philly. History? You think Villanova has a greater history than Arkansas?
Arkansas is probably the best job in the country. Fayetteville is nice. Weather is decent. Tradition is among the best if not the best. Facilities are top notch. School is academically positioned to get a range of athletes. Competitive conference but easy regional for XC.
I'm a Tennessee fan and I saw Dylan Jacobs running around Knoxville a week after USA trials where he got 5th. Sean moving to Colorado is a win for his post-Collegiates as well. I don't blame him.
Tennessee has always been a sprint focused school and has a great history of elite sprinters, Ross brings that.
I agree. When has Tennessee been a distance school? They get an occasional great runner, true. I keep thinking about how Runners World tried to make Knoxville a running mecca during Todd Williams' heyday.
The Tennessee men won nationals in 1972 and the alumni have been desperately trying to claw their way back to the glory days ever since.
And, as Tennessee Volunteer fans are wont to do, they believe that any single sports team at the school not being a perennial title contender is an afront to God himself.
Surprised no one has mentioned Vanhoy returning back to the SEC.
Tennessee would be smart to go for Vanhoy. Similar training style as Carlson and he had incredible success at Mississippi as an assistant, knows how to recruit and be relevant in the SEC. Knoxville isn’t a top tier training location but it sure would be easier to recruit to than Oxford.
LRC braintrust was 0 for infinity on this one. Even Rojo was wildly wrong. Nobody who knows anything posts here anymore, this is the official home of irrelevance.
Surprised no one has mentioned Vanhoy returning back to the SEC.
Tennessee would be smart to go for Vanhoy. Similar training style as Carlson and he had incredible success at Mississippi as an assistant, knows how to recruit and be relevant in the SEC. Knoxville isn’t a top tier training location but it sure would be easier to recruit to than Oxford.
Similar training style? I don't think they're similar at all.
In any case, Vanhoy made $150K last year as director at Cal Poly. A directorship has more job security and he decides where the scholarship goes. Sure he could get a $100K pay bump at UT, but then he has no scholarship to work with and is constantly on the hot seat, especially once Ross inevitably gets fired for some kind of violation. Plus, he has to live in Knoxville instead of on the California coast.
I'd rather live in Fayetteville than Philly. History? You think Villanova has a greater history than Arkansas?
Arkansas is probably the best job in the country. Fayetteville is nice. Weather is decent. Tradition is among the best if not the best. Facilities are top notch. School is academically positioned to get a range of athletes. Competitive conference but easy regional for XC.
Arkansas is red neck valley and it’s blazing and humid out in the summer. Academics are middle of the road.
Arkansas is probably the best job in the country. Fayetteville is nice. Weather is decent. Tradition is among the best if not the best. Facilities are top notch. School is academically positioned to get a range of athletes. Competitive conference but easy regional for XC.
Arkansas is red neck valley and it’s blazing and humid out in the summer. Academics are middle of the road.
"Middle of the road" is exactly what you want. Good enough that the degree actually means something. Not so good that you're pulling all nighters studying for finals
Arkansas is probably the best job in the country. Fayetteville is nice. Weather is decent. Tradition is among the best if not the best. Facilities are top notch. School is academically positioned to get a range of athletes. Competitive conference but easy regional for XC.
Arkansas is red neck valley and it’s blazing and humid out in the summer.
First, Northwest Arkansas is not red neck valley, you've clearly never been there. Second, good thing that school is not in session during the blazing and humid summer...
I'd rather live in Fayetteville than Philly. History? You think Villanova has a greater history than Arkansas?
Arkansas is probably the best job in the country. Fayetteville is nice. Weather is decent. Tradition is among the best if not the best. Facilities are top notch. School is academically positioned to get a range of athletes. Competitive conference but easy regional for XC.
Speaking of that, I'm surprised people haven't mentioned UVA. Charlottseville is a nice town, good weather. Not the strongest, but a good history of track / XC. Academically, I'd say it's in one of the best ranges - its academics won't dissuade people from wanting to go there (NAU), but also not so high that you'll have issues getting athletes through admissions.
Tennessee would be smart to go for Vanhoy. Similar training style as Carlson and he had incredible success at Mississippi as an assistant, knows how to recruit and be relevant in the SEC. Knoxville isn’t a top tier training location but it sure would be easier to recruit to than Oxford.
Similar training style? I don't think they're similar at all.
In any case, Vanhoy made $150K last year as director at Cal Poly. A directorship has more job security and he decides where the scholarship goes. Sure he could get a $100K pay bump at UT, but then he has no scholarship to work with and is constantly on the hot seat, especially once Ross inevitably gets fired for some kind of violation. Plus, he has to live in Knoxville instead of on the California coast.
I think Vanhoy is staying put.
I would agree except you’re brushing off a $100k pay raise as if that’s not a gigantic difference. Especially when you consider the cost of living difference between California and Knoxville.
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