Allegedly the new PED is something targeting the mitochondria
Biggest question is testicular shrinkage for men -- WADA and USADA test for "keep the balls on" drugs. Is there a new sperm pump drug, or should drug testers be measuring testicle circumference?
Testicular shrinkage..Quite fitting given the OP username
After what looked like the most doped-up Diamond League event I’ve ever seen, I’m finally at the point where I think there must be a new PED that is being widely used. It’s clearly something that is helping with pain tolerance / lactate resistance. Anybody have any insight as to what it might be? Surely it has filtered to the college ranks by now and some of you must know what this is. Any thoughts?
It is an evolved form of EPO. Remember EPO is synthetic, and by adding polymers and chains you can modify it. The most famous case we know about is Ramzi. Since then it has been improved about 4 times, again in 2012, 2016 and sometime during covid lockdowns, and finally again this year. Basically every Olympic cycle there is a new and better version of what we know as regular EPO. All versions will have different names, so I'm curious to see what we will be calling all the drugs in the future
I know Jakob takes this and I’ve seen many of the European long sprinters do as well (Bol, Klaver, Kaczmerak), but it is actually 100% legal. Does it really have that much of a positive impact? I know Nuguse said he tried it and it literally made him crap his shorts during a workout.
Bicarb has been known for years to reduce lactate, it literally neutralizes acids. That also mean it messes with your stomach acid, which can cause digestive issues. It definitely has a performance benefit and should probably not be legal for competitions, but then again so does caffeine.
Pathetic that you "don't even blame them" for cheating.
If you don’t understand you don’t understand and that’s fine.
These are athletes that are told and tell themselves that they must be the best their entire lives. You ask them who they are and they say “I am a runner”. And then it starts effecting their scholarship money and even their income if they can no longer compete at the level that they are expected to compete at. It affects their sense of self worth. And then they learn the people that are beating them are cheating, and that they are going to get away with cheating, and because those cheaters are beating them, they will miss out on the things that pay for their school or pay for their rent.
A dishonest system beckons dishonest athletes. Your heros in this sport and other sports are using PEDs. There aren’t doping eras, there are dopers getting caught eras. If you want to believe in Santa you are more than welcome, life was a bit more rose colored when I believed in him.
I agree with this.
I'm never really that bothered by cheating athletes and coaches that much. I mean, in a perfect world, no one cheats, unfortunately almost everyone's doing it. What bothers me is the hoops they jump through to try to lie about it and cover it up. It just shows how dumb these athletes are and how dumb they think fans might be.
I didn't really judge Salazar for trying to get any edge he can with his athletes. I judge him for being a jerk his whole life and name-calling anyone who tries to stand up against him and Nike. I didn't really just Shelby for trying to get an advantage, but boy oh boy did I judge her when I started reading her posts defending herself—just like middle school-level appeal to emotion stuff. Embarrassing.
I'm never really that bothered by cheating athletes and coaches that much. I mean, in a perfect world, no one cheats, unfortunately almost everyone's doing it. What bothers me is the hoops they jump through to try to lie about it and cover it up. It just shows how dumb these athletes are and how dumb they think fans might be.
I didn't really judge Salazar for trying to get any edge he can with his athletes. I judge him for being a jerk his whole life and name-calling anyone who tries to stand up against him and Nike. I didn't really judge Shelby for trying to get an advantage, but boy oh boy did I judge her when I started reading her posts defending herself—just like middle school-level appeal to emotion stuff. Embarrassing.
Care to share how you know they're doing drugs? :o
Btw, always enjoy reading your insights on training!
They tell me lmao.
I distinctly remember after one of my first collegiate cross country meets we had a kickback at one of my teammate’s house. He got rather drunk and decided he was going to bring out his stash and a few teammates were not only NOT shocked but seemed ecstatic. One of those teammates went from barely under 15:00 in the 5k to the upper 13:00s in a season and is making money running marathons now.
It’s been a “Santa isnt real” moment for me. I ran at a midmajor college. The teammate who showed me his PEDS passed all his tests through college, there weren’t a lot of them but he passed every time. He’s a good guy. He treats people well, is friendly, but also showed the team ChatGPT months before most of the academic world caught onto it. It’s why the “but Shelby is a good person” argument for why she wouldn’t have doped irks me.
People cheat in this sport. I don’t even blame them.
What were these college kids taking? How did they pass the drug tests?
After what looked like the most doped-up Diamond League event I’ve ever seen, I’m finally at the point where I think there must be a new PED that is being widely used. It’s clearly something that is helping with pain tolerance / lactate resistance. Anybody have any insight as to what it might be? Surely it has filtered to the college ranks by now and some of you must know what this is. Any thoughts?
I read that theres a new type of EPO out there,and theyre mixing it with steroids.
I distinctly remember after one of my first collegiate cross country meets we had a kickback at one of my teammate’s house. He got rather drunk and decided he was going to bring out his stash and a few teammates were not only NOT shocked but seemed ecstatic. One of those teammates went from barely under 15:00 in the 5k to the upper 13:00s in a season and is making money running marathons now.
It’s been a “Santa isnt real” moment for me. I ran at a midmajor college. The teammate who showed me his PEDS passed all his tests through college, there weren’t a lot of them but he passed every time. He’s a good guy. He treats people well, is friendly, but also showed the team ChatGPT months before most of the academic world caught onto it. It’s why the “but Shelby is a good person” argument for why she wouldn’t have doped irks me.
People cheat in this sport. I don’t even blame them.
What were these college kids taking? How did they pass the drug tests?
I wasn't that fast, but I didn't receive a single drug test in the NCAA. I knew people much faster than me, NCAA D1 national qualifiers, that never got tested once in their career.
I got drug tested once in 8th grade going into 9th grade athletics. It was likely a standard 5 panel screen. Our district required every athlete to receive at least one drug test, and some loophole was to test 8th graders at the end of the year. They did this because too many star football players would fail for pot.
PED testing is expensive. 99% of drug tests are just the standard 5 panel, sometime 7 panel. I got a hair test for a job once, that was interesting.
If you know where CopperRunner lives, you can make an assumption as to what college he was at and who this particular runner is. I don’t know this runner personally, but know others he trains with and have heard a lot about him. Just seeing his last week and a half of training (if I’m assuming the right person) it seems like PEDS would be the only way to handle that load and recover so quickly! The story seems plausible to me.
What were these college kids taking? How did they pass the drug tests?
I wasn't that fast, but I didn't receive a single drug test in the NCAA. I knew people much faster than me, NCAA D1 national qualifiers, that never got tested once in their career.
I got drug tested once in 8th grade going into 9th grade athletics. It was likely a standard 5 panel screen. Our district required every athlete to receive at least one drug test, and some loophole was to test 8th graders at the end of the year. They did this because too many star football players would fail for pot.
PED testing is expensive. 99% of drug tests are just the standard 5 panel, sometime 7 panel. I got a hair test for a job once, that was interesting.
Your typical NCAA qualifying runner gets 2 tests in a year. One at the beginning of their season (pretty much universal across all NCAA sports) and one around NCAAs. That’s it. Top NCAA runners may get a few more, especially if they are competing in professional races. I agree that it’s really hard to get caught when you pretty much know within a few days when the tests are coming. Where I disagree is the number of runners that I think are doping. At the Olympics, 20-30% of the runners are what I would call “blatantly” doping (knowingly taking EPO, testosterone, HGH, steroids) and probably 40-50% are “gray-area” (TUEs, taking seemingly legal supplements to try to get and edge). That leaves 20-30% of runners who are “clean” (doing everything in their power to keep banned substances out of their body). In the NCAA, I would put these proportions at about 15% blatantly doping, 25% gray-area, and 60% clean.
I don’t think I’m really that bothered by the TUEs and the gray-area dopers, and I will certainly support the clean athletes. That gives me 70-80% of the athletes in the Olympics to root for, and that keeps me interested in the sport. Where I have a problem is the blatant dopers, and I’m going to call out any runner that doesn’t pass the smell test with their performance improvement. I have no reason to think Faith Kipyegon or Jakob Ingebrigtsen are doing anything more than gray-area doping, so I will keep celebrating that. Where I have a problem is when I see big performance jumps by runners late in their career that have no logical explanation, and there are suddenly a lot of those performances popping up a month out from the Olympics.
What about some of the gear career doper Gil Roberts was using: Ostarine, RAD-140, LGD-4033 & SR9009 (sounds like stuff from a science fiction movie. Lol)
Anyone know much these compounds? Most of these SARMs I take it? So, what do you think guys - is this the secret sauce most dopers are using these days?
This is crazy. Back in my day it was anabolic steroids (e.g. D-bol, Winstrol, Anavar, Deca, etc) & synthetic testosterone. Now it's stuff I can't even pronounce. Lol
A list of all anti-doping rule violations / sanctions issued by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) in its history. Includes athlete & coach sanctions.
What about some of the gear career doper Gil Roberts was using: Ostarine, RAD-140, LGD-4033 & SR9009 (sounds like stuff from a science fiction movie. Lol)
Anyone know much these compounds? Most of these SARMs I take it? So, what do you think guys - is this the secret sauce most dopers are using these days?
This is crazy. Back in my day it was anabolic steroids (e.g. D-bol, Winstrol, Anavar, Deca, etc) & synthetic testosterone. Now it's stuff I can't even pronounce. Lol
Definitely lots of SARMS and other similar RCs going around.
Compare it to synthetic cannabinoids and analogues and the whack-a-mole the government has tried to do in banning them. The chemists will always move faster than any governing agency.
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After what looked like the most doped-up Diamond League event I’ve ever seen, I’m finally at the point where I think there must be a new PED that is being widely used. It’s clearly something that is helping with pain tolerance / lactate resistance. Anybody have any insight as to what it might be? Surely it has filtered to the college ranks by now and some of you must know what this is. Any thoughts?
It is an evolved form of EPO. Remember EPO is synthetic, and by adding polymers and chains you can modify it. The most famous case we know about is Ramzi. Since then it has been improved about 4 times, again in 2012, 2016 and sometime during covid lockdowns, and finally again this year. Basically every Olympic cycle there is a new and better version of what we know as regular EPO. All versions will have different names, so I'm curious to see what we will be calling all the drugs in the future
Are you talking about CERA - a 3rd gen ESA? Ramzi was popped for CERA reference an IC test when he won gold at Beijing.
Back then dopers thought CERA was undetectable (it was until the manufacturer Roche labs assisted WADA in developing a test. Lol).
Dopers also liked CERA because it only required 1 or 2 injections per month to reach target hematocrit levels as opposed to 3 or more injections per week for 1st gen EPO.
Are you saying there's a 4th generation EPO out there or that CERA has just been modified?
After what looked like the most doped-up Diamond League event I’ve ever seen, I’m finally at the point where I think there must be a new PED that is being widely used. It’s clearly something that is helping with pain tolerance / lactate resistance. Anybody have any insight as to what it might be? Surely it has filtered to the college ranks by now and some of you must know what this is. Any thoughts?
I read that theres a new type of EPO out there,and theyre mixing it with steroids.
Do you have anymore information on that Jeff? It sounds very interesting.
Weren't the Russians at Sochi using some crazy combo of EPO mixed with 3 different steroids that was taken with a slug of whiskey - I think they called it the "Duchess Cocktail?" 🤔
