Breaking - Mens Olympic Steeple - 3rd Spot

justice4james wrote:

L take. First of all, James is hispanic, not white. Not that it matters, just felt like the label on him being white was a little out of pocket.

Second of all, races are paced all the time for the sole purpose of hitting a standard. Yes, rabbits drop out too. This is no different than any race that would have taken place 2 months ago, it just so happened that James was more at the NCAA level back then and now he is fit enough to chase olympic dreams. He shouldn't be punished just for being ready for the olympics when it matters now.

Third of all, if it were all about the spirit of racing, he'd be locked in just by getting top 3 at the trials, and not having to deal with arbitrary standards or rankings. He already beat some of America's best on the day it mattered. Yes, I know why those measures are in place, but just because James hasn't hit them in the minuscule window he's had compared to all these pros, suddenly its a disgrace that he's even considered to go?

cooldogdonnie wrote:

this thread is incorrect wrote:

he needs to run the standard (8:15) NOT sub 8:18 or sub 8:20.

this meet is a "World Athletics Continental Tour Challenger Series" which is a 'D Tier Event'

D Tier = 35 bonus points if you win a steeple

Link:worldathletics.org/world-ranking-rules...

Currently James 3 best scores are (1186, 1161, 1137 = avg 1161)

he would need to get his average to 1198 to be in the world ranking quota.

In order to do that he would need to score 1247.

With only 35 bonus points the raw score would need to be 1212

1212 is equal to running sub-8:10.

so the only route for James is the standard aka sub-8:15 not via world rankings.

That list includes the 2 Americans that have the standard but didn't make the team. Those people (Hilary Bor and Anthony Rotich) are removed from the top-36 list since they are not accepted by the National Federation (USATF) to be a part of the Olympic team, as they didn't get top 3 at the national championships. The calculation they're doing is going based off of the mark he would need to run to get to the athlete that would be on the bubble excluding Bor and Rotich, which is William Battershill. (There's other athletes above him that are on the bubble, but they are the 5th Moroccan and 4th Swedish steeplers, so aren't included in the list of entries as only a max of 3 athletes per country are allowed to compete.)

So he'd need to get his average mark to 1190, with his top mark needing to be more than 1192 points to beat Battershill on top-score countback.

1190*3=3570

3570-(1186+1161)=1223

1223-35=1188

1188 IAAF performance points in the 3000m steeplechase=8:15.35 (He could also do it in an equivalent event for rankings, like a 2000m steeplechase, where he'd need to run 5:19.22 with this calculation.)

rojo wrote:

This is absolutely disgraceful. A meet with a certain amount of prize money is supposed to offer extra points because it’s a higher quality meat that people knew about it for a long time and thus could enter. To up the prize money on like one days notice so a college educated white guy can go to the Olympics is absurd. What if the person missing out wasn’t Jager but was instead some poor black guy from Botswana or something?

and then rooks is going to purposely drop out? How about an honest effort rule? This is like the definition of fixing a sporting match yet And Rory in the tweet is praising it? Bonus points should not count.

This reminds me when everyone in Nike was wearing the cheatwr shoes and no one else had them, and they didn’t realize how much against the spirit of their he sport this was.

Should jager fans just raise money so he gets a random Kenyan to come in and win it so he doesn’t get the bonus points?

rojo wrote:

This is absolutely disgraceful. A meet with a certain amount of prize money is supposed to offer extra points because it’s a higher quality meat that people knew about it for a long time and thus could enter. To up the prize money on like one days notice so a college educated white guy can go to the Olympics is absurd. What if the person missing out wasn’t Jager but was instead some poor black guy from Botswana or something?

and then rooks is going to purposely drop out? How about an honest effort rule? This is like the definition of fixing a sporting match yet And Rory in the tweet is praising it? Bonus points should not count.

This reminds me when everyone in Nike was wearing the cheatwr shoes and no one else had them, and they didn’t realize how much against the spirit of their he sport this was.

Should jager fans just raise money so he gets a random Kenyan to come in and win it so he doesn’t get the bonus points?

rojo wrote:

This is absolutely disgraceful. A meet with a certain amount of prize money is supposed to offer extra points because it’s a higher quality meat that people knew about it for a long time and thus could enter. To up the prize money on like one days notice so a college educated white guy can go to the Olympics is absurd. What if the person missing out wasn’t Jager but was instead some poor black guy from Botswana or something?

and then rooks is going to purposely drop out? How about an honest effort rule? This is like the definition of fixing a sporting match yet And Rory in the tweet is praising it? Bonus points should not count.

This reminds me when everyone in Nike was wearing the cheatwr shoes and no one else had them, and they didn’t realize how much against the spirit of their he sport this was.

Should jager fans just raise money so he gets a random Kenyan to come in and win it so he doesn’t get the bonus points?