Nico Young out of 5000m

Khamis wrote:

blahblahblah3 wrote:

What???

Last year in Budapest, the 10K was won with a 4:05 last mile in 27:51??

Oregon 2022 was a 4:02 last mile (and Fisher was there until about five meters left)

Tokyo Olympics was a 4:02 last mile in a 27:43 race (and Fisher was right there)

No runner in the world right now is closing a 27:50 10K in 3:52. None of them are closing a 27:50 10K in under 3:56.

I appreciate the details and response. In fact I can see a pattern of slower closing in the 10k than in the 5k. I might be a little too excited about 5k closes which as you know tend to close in the region of even low 3:50s, but do remember the scintillating form shown by unradiated highland runners from backward Ethiopian villages Kejelcha, Aregawi and Barega some of whom have also taken the COVID vaccine but seems to already been fully clear of it from their bodies. The 26:31 closing in 54 on a warm Spanish evening and not looking the slightest bit cooked by the effort does tell me 2 things:

1) At the same pace they probably can close much faster in the last mile, especially the penultimate and pre-penultimate laps. The Ethiopians are huge grinding machines if they don't have the top speed to sometimes match Jakob or Josh Kerr in the 5000m.

2) They can run the same final mile with a much faster finishing result. It looks like they can definitely threaten the 26:20 barrier in such scintillating form. Kejelcha already in March in Spain running solo with not a care in the world in 26:37 so he can definitely go much faster on the track than 26:31. I think he wasn't breathing at all after the trials race in Spain.

So I urge you to be more cautious about them not being able to close a 27:50 10k in under 3:56. The only reason that Paris Olympic 10k might not close the last mile in under 3:56 is because in the 10k runners tend to be far more tactical and patient than in the 5k. It dawdles more in the 10k, and since the exit of classic grinders like Zersenay Tadasse and Bekele himself, and also Moses Masai and Mathathi, the 10k has been a sit and kick at all major championships, with very little sustained fast segments in the middle. So the 10k not being closed in under 3:56 is not for want of ability and talent but for want of will and desire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wait till Kejelcha, Barega and Aregawi are 3 desire to go from the last mile of a 27:50 10k race will you definitely see a 60.5, 60.6, 58.2, 53.4, which will lead to 3:51 final mile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Btw Oregon 2022 4:02 last mile (Fisher was there but DOPED UP BY Jerry)

Btw Tokyo Olympics 2021 4:02 last mile (Fisher was there but DOPED UP by Jerry)

BTW, more importantly what was the closing 400m of the 4:05 last mile in Budapest??? Grant Fisher will only run as fast of a final mile leading up to the final 400m as fast as the leaders or whatever the leaders will run. He won't be taking any lead and setting the pace in the final mile right??? So it only matters the final 400m what Grant will run right??? Grant will only run whatever the train in front of him will run in the final mile if he is able to keep up with them. Only in the last 400m will significant separation occur as runners all kick their way to glory!!!

Khamis wrote:

Yup, Nico Young's terrible performance also surprised me somewhat. Couldn't close as well as Grant Fisher despite a 28min flat type of 10000m race???????? Absolutely trash to be honest!!!!

Can you folks imagine that??? A friggin 28min 10000m race closed so poorly over the last 1 mile, 1km and 400m?????????? 4:06 final mile for Grant and something like 4:10 for Nico Young or what????

Yes I know I condemn the dopers who dope and run susceptibly doped performances, but yes I also do condemn the quality of American distance runners who are frankly not even 10% as good as the unradiated and more well-protected Ethiopian runners who are better than the Kenyan ones now.

I'm not watching the Paris Olympics 10000m if this is the quality of competition from America man...........Even Haile Gebrselassie ran his Sydney 10000m heat in the 10000m faster than Grant won his TRIALS FINALS!!!!! Haile ran 27:49, in sh*t shoes, with an Achilles injury to boot, jogging it in, and the very next day or day after ran 27:19 in the finals with all the same obstacles, running 55/56 seconds on a seriously torn Achilles????????????????

Seriously folks??????????????????????????? What in this world is happening to our American trash distance runners???????? Did they really have their asses handed over to them but an wobbly and limping Haile Gebrselassie of Sydney 2000, and twice consecutively in the heats and finals???????????????????

Grant and Nico, if you are reading this you better listen up carefully dude!!!! Do you guys wanna mix it with the big boys????? Then be serious folks, be more professional, show more will power and determination. What do I mean???? Ditch all internet/digital connection and devices for the next 5 years and live a hermit's life in Ethiopia with Kejelcha and Aregawi man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No girlfriend, no mum, no sister, no America, no American convenience, no comforts and luxuries, just the Ethiopian mountain, trails, forests, a simple wooden hut over your head, a toilet, lots of teff rice and farm produce and you are set to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on Grant, Nico, stop screwing around no more!!!!!!!!!!! You guys are otherwise really washed up tripe quadruple times over what with those supershoes you are wearing and running this slowly??????

Khamis wrote:

Yup, Nico Young's terrible performance also surprised me somewhat. Couldn't close as well as Grant Fisher despite a 28min flat type of 10000m race???????? Absolutely trash to be honest!!!!

Can you folks imagine that??? A friggin 28min 10000m race closed so poorly over the last 1 mile, 1km and 400m?????????? 4:06 final mile for Grant and something like 4:10 for Nico Young or what????

Yes I know I condemn the dopers who dope and run susceptibly doped performances, but yes I also do condemn the quality of American distance runners who are frankly not even 10% as good as the unradiated and more well-protected Ethiopian runners who are better than the Kenyan ones now.

I'm not watching the Paris Olympics 10000m if this is the quality of competition from America man...........Even Haile Gebrselassie ran his Sydney 10000m heat in the 10000m faster than Grant won his TRIALS FINALS!!!!! Haile ran 27:49, in sh*t shoes, with an Achilles injury to boot, jogging it in, and the very next day or day after ran 27:19 in the finals with all the same obstacles, running 55/56 seconds on a seriously torn Achilles????????????????

Seriously folks??????????????????????????? What in this world is happening to our American trash distance runners???????? Did they really have their asses handed over to them but an wobbly and limping Haile Gebrselassie of Sydney 2000, and twice consecutively in the heats and finals???????????????????

Grant and Nico, if you are reading this you better listen up carefully dude!!!! Do you guys wanna mix it with the big boys????? Then be serious folks, be more professional, show more will power and determination. What do I mean???? Ditch all internet/digital connection and devices for the next 5 years and live a hermit's life in Ethiopia with Kejelcha and Aregawi man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No girlfriend, no mum, no sister, no America, no American convenience, no comforts and luxuries, just the Ethiopian mountain, trails, forests, a simple wooden hut over your head, a toilet, lots of teff rice and farm produce and you are set to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on Grant, Nico, stop screwing around no more!!!!!!!!!!! You guys are otherwise really washed up tripe quadruple times over what with those supershoes you are wearing and running this slowly??????