Yeah, having all runners in the same uniform is horrible for spectators. I hate when watching a diamond league and everyone has the same stupid blue and green Nike uniforms.
When is his birthday? There are tons of kids in today's world that will turn 16 as a soph right after 9/1...tons every year. Hey I turned 17 in December of my senior year, in todays world had I been held back I would not have even been near the oldest senior around. If his birthday is in June or JUly? he is about 2-3 months old. This is not unusual today, but it is clearly an advantage and is a pretty old freshman. On the other hand 1.47.x is fast at any age, he is still what age he is lol.
I saw a Birth Date of 12/19/08. He is not even old by today's standards at all, really. He will be a year older than I was as a senior, but I must have been an awful pain in the ass to get put on a bus to go across town to All Day Kindergarten at 4 years old lol.
A lot can happen between here and 1:46, let's not get ahead of ourselves, and so on
I can't image he has a ridiculous anti-training regime like Cade Flatt. But like Flatt, he will be a HS senior when he should be a College Freshmen. If Jim Ryun was held back a year, the HS 800 record would be 1:44.3 – a world record at the time.
Is something not right up in your cranium? The majority of kids in his grade are 15 years old at this point in the year. The earliest normal time to turn 15 as a Freshman is during August (age cutoff between grades).
It's normal for a freshman to have been 15 for over 9 months at this point so stop complaining about a great accomplishment and get off this thread.
1:47.58 to win the boys 800 at Brooks PR. Came back from a 20 meter gap with 200 to go and dominated that last 150. Really impressed with his pacing and racing tactics for being a freshman.
What is the world record for 15 year olds? The HS record is going down.
Have to wonder what kind of mile time he could run with 1:47 800 speed.
His mile time would be influenced by whether he was an 800/mile type runner, or a 400/800 runner (perhaps more likely because of is youth/age. I would tend to think that to run his 1:47.58, that he would be a 47.x - 48 low 400m kid at least on a relay leg if not in an open.
Does anyone know if this is his first year of running? Did he run in junior high? It's an amazing time, but if it's his first year of running that's out of this world.
He played multiple sports throughout MS--cross country, football, basketball, and track. He started to train with his brother after the completion of his MS season in April last year.
Here was his progression in May and June last year:
1:56.2 time trial
1:56.20 TTFCA Meet of Champions
1:54.20 Brooks PR Invite Junior 800m
1:53.59 Nike Outdoor Nationals Junior 800m (ran 48.70 on the day between 800m races)
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This is his first year running year round. Mileage is low 20-25 mpw. He's only 15 years old, as has been discussed multiple times. He qualified for the Texas State 5A XC Meet and finished 47th.
He's very talented (duh), but very disciplined with the little things, that are really the big things. Recovery, nutrition, hydration, rest, etc.
An individual has no control over their amount of talent. They do have control over their work-ethic, and all the the "little things" that end up compounding to create influence their level of success or lack there of.
So many down votes but in reality you have to start wondering now. Obviously things have changed spikes/coaching and every high schooler with a smidge of talent getting into big races. Throw all those things together and you are destined to get good results out of some of the top athletes. The overall average of these HS events has gotten better as well. Do I think everyone is doping? No. Do I think that it is easier to have a coach give athletes “supplements” since no one is watching? Absolutely.
A good example of this is Cade Flatt, honestly didn’t seem like he had doped or anything in high school but once he started bombing out of everything in college I started to have doubt in my mind. Yes he’s been injured but also you don’t just run 1:46 3-4 times in high school then go to college and struggle to break 1:50 when you’re healthy. That should at the LEAST be 1:48.
Does anyone know if this is his first year of running? Did he run in junior high? It's an amazing time, but if it's his first year of running that's out of this world.
He played multiple sports throughout MS--cross country, football, basketball, and track. He started to train with his brother after the completion of his MS season in April last year.
Here was his progression in May and June last year:
1:56.2 time trial
1:56.20 TTFCA Meet of Champions
1:54.20 Brooks PR Invite Junior 800m
1:53.59 Nike Outdoor Nationals Junior 800m (ran 48.70 on the day between 800m races)
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This is his first year running year round. Mileage is low 20-25 mpw. He's only 15 years old, as has been discussed multiple times. He qualified for the Texas State 5A XC Meet and finished 47th.
He's very talented (duh), but very disciplined with the little things, that are really the big things. Recovery, nutrition, hydration, rest, etc.
That's the explanation offered for every stand-out achievement. It makes you wonder why so many other runners don't follow that simple formula for "good living". As for 25mpw - what can I say? Bannister would be impressed. Is there an arc trainer in there somewhere?
his birthday is in December, so at semester of each year he will go from one year to the next and graduate at 18.
Apparently it *is* hard, since it is fooling so many people. At any rate, yeah. No story. Cooper is at his age-appropriate grade, and isn't particularly old for that grade at that.
You're right that African athletes are not listed in these "international" records, but then there is no good age verification system there, and while Amos, doping, ran 1:41 again many years later, that was Kitum's high water mark, so he was surely considerably older at the time.
Weird that African marks are considered for U18 and U20 records by World Athletics, but not these age-group records...whether or not there is still a serious age-cheating problem in Africa, who knows. That said, without proof, it feels a little wrong to exclude these athletes, especially when in an event where peaking as a teenager is actually fairly common in the US: Granville, Cain, etc.
This is not to take away from Lutkenhaus though, it's pretty incredible that even if athletes like Amos, Aman, and Kitum WERE age-cheating he's STILL faster than they were at a listed age of 15. Really hope he keeps it up, I was burned by Zavon Watkins back in the day (1:47 at 16) but it seems this guy is an even bigger talent.
1:47.58 to win the boys 800 at Brooks PR. Came back from a 20 meter gap with 200 to go and dominated that last 150. Really impressed with his pacing and racing tactics for being a freshman.
What is the world record for 15 year olds? The HS record is going down.
Have to wonder what kind of mile time he could run with 1:47 800 speed.
His mile time would be influenced by whether he was an 800/mile type runner, or a 400/800 runner (perhaps more likely because of is youth/age. I would tend to think that to run his 1:47.58, that he would be a 47.x - 48 low 400m kid at least on a relay leg if not in an open.
He already ran a 47.6 open and a 46 high in a relay.
When is his birthday? There are tons of kids in today's world that will turn 16 as a soph right after 9/1...tons every year. Hey I turned 17 in December of my senior year, in todays world had I been held back I would not have even been near the oldest senior around. If his birthday is in June or JUly? he is about 2-3 months old. This is not unusual today, but it is clearly an advantage and is a pretty old freshman. On the other hand 1.47.x is fast at any age, he is still what age he is lol.
His birthday is December 19, 2008. So all yall can stfu
Why do we have to go over this a million times? Age cut-off for kindergarten and following is typically September 1, right about the beginning of the school year. Typical Americans go to kindergarten when they are five years old. So, they are born from, say, September 1, 2008 to August 30, 2009. That means that all high school freshmen now who were not held back or skipped a grade would be 15 years old or about to turn 15 this summer. About one-third of them will turn sixteen this year, from September through December. Two-thirds will turn sixteen next year, from January through August. Then there are about 10% of kids, mostly boys, who were held back and entered kindergarten at age six, in some cases because boys tend to be ready for kindergarten later than girls (and grades and behavior charts show this) and in others for athletic purposes later on. If he turns 16 prior to September 1, he is the age of a sophomore, though not by much. If he was born in August and is therefore a few weeks older than the oldest typical kid in his class, then I can understand why they would have done that, because my son is among the youngest in his class and as a result has a disadvantage in physical and mental development relative to kids as much as 11 months older than him with whom he is competing at school and in sports (and doing very well but in sports there is a definite disadvantage).
(For those considering skipping kids, as we did our daughter, I would advise against it because even if the kid is academically more than ready to be a year, two years, three years or more ahead, the social and emotional, as well as the physical, disadvantages make it not worth it by high school.)
Exactly this, emphasis on bold. It's completely understandable why some parents would want to delay kindergarten for their child by one year, simply to avoid them being among the youngest in their class.
Personally, I think the cutoff date should be pushed to 7/1 instead of 9/1 (I think it already is in some states, but not in CA as far as I'm aware). That way, it falls right in the middle of the year, with 50% of the class being born in 2008 (in C/O 27's case) and the other 50% being born in 2009.
I believe Sadie Engelhardt did this, as she turns 18 on August 21st this year. While that is certainly on the older side for C/O '25, I completely understand why she may've been held back as she would've been the youngest in her class otherwise.
There was another thread full of immature brats whining about how she was too old for her grade, when in reality there are straight up 19-pushing-20 y/o's in HS. Meanwhile, Sadie won't even be 19 until she starts college, which is completely normal.
The cutoff date really doesn't matter. Regardless of when it is, some parents will hold their kids back. People are bothered by it but most states have a date that you can't start before and then an age that can't be exceeded for athletics. There is essentially a 2 year window to start but 95% go with the earlier end of window. Nothing wrong with delaying.