Bit rich that the lead author on this paper is Yannis Pistiladis, who recently published a paper saying there's not really a such thing as male advantage and therefore trans-identifying males in the female category is NBD. But super shoes?!? Well that's where we draw the line (or asterisk, as it were).
We’ve all been exhausted and had to do arithmetic with splits to hit a goal time while racing. It’s really difficult and we aren’t running 4:03 mile pace while doing it.
Bekele ran most of this world record alone pushing himself at 31.5 seconds per 200m.
He only saw the clock and heard anything his coach/agent yelled at him.
it’s MASSIVE to be able to turn off parts of your brain and know that the little lights on the rail are the time you’re trying to beat.
my friend was a 1:51 / 4:06 miler in college, and he feels his best ever running achievement was figuring out mid-race that he was behind pace to run a sub1:10 half marathon. He figured out the math, had to run a 5:05 last mile, and did it.
Please note that they only call for the asterisk on Wavelight assisted WRs, which makes sense to me based on their reasoning: seemingly mildly conflicting WA technical rules 6.4.4 and 6.4.8.
"However, before the use of WaveLight technology expands in official competitions, we suggest that records performed with technology-assisted pacing should be differentiated from those records performed without the assistance of such technology with an “asterisk”. This would be similar to the differentiation among female records established in Mixed/Only female races. Therefore, if an athlete wishes to break a non-technology-assisted record, still could by using traditional pacing. This measure would allow for a fairer comparison between athletes."
Everyone talking about the spikes and not paying attention to the main point. Typical of letsrun
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I didn’t review all the posts on this thread; has there been any regarding Bekele’s motivations? His last Gold Medal was 15 years ago, and the sport has moved on without him. If they do get their asterisk, will he, and the mad scientists, exchange high fives?
I didn’t review all the posts on this thread; has there been any regarding Bekele’s motivations? His last Gold Medal was 15 years ago, and the sport has moved on without him. If they do get their asterisk, will he, and the mad scientists, exchange high fives?
Rest easy. They’re not going to put an asterisk by your hero’s name. Cheat- shoes are here to stay. Life is good. Go run your 16:00 5ks.
I know right bruh? PEDs are just part of that evolution right bruh? How ‘bout rotating tracks? Or composite bats in MLB? Or electric bikes in the tour-de-France? Right bruh? Evolution will always continue right bruh?
The shoes have been proven to not give the runner more energy return than they put in. The wavelights are helpful, but the runner still has to actually run it, the wave lights don’t participate in that part of the equation. Do you, in good concious, really believe that the examples you laid forth are any comparison? Do you typically resort to the use of “Bruh” to try to strengthen an argument you are attempting that has no basis other than anger as fuel?
Looks like your questions made him a bit uncomfortable, since he ignored you and went right back to his usual blathering.
Did Bekele race with a watch on his wrist? If so then all his times need to have asterisks by them. the wave light isn’t much different to me. Dudes just made that his records were broke.
I know right bruh? PEDs are just part of that evolution right bruh? How ‘bout rotating tracks? Or composite bats in MLB? Or electric bikes in the tour-de-France? Right bruh? Evolution will always continue right bruh?
The shoes have been proven to not give the runner more energy return than they put in. The wavelights are helpful, but the runner still has to actually run it, the wave lights don’t participate in that part of the equation. Do you, in good concious, really believe that the examples you laid forth are any comparison? Do you typically resort to the use of “Bruh” to try to strengthen an argument you are attempting that has no basis other than anger as fuel?
Nobody says that the shoes return more energy. The shoes do artificially improve efficiency by a measurable amount (one manufacturer say 4%). That's cheating, plain and simple.
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FYI: Several sports scientists and Kenenisa Bekele are publishing a short Viewpoint article in the Journal of Applied Physiology. They call for asterisking any records set with super shoes/spikes and/or Wavelight pacing. Other scientists are invited to respond.
Wavelights are dumb. With wavelights you can literally switch off your brain and you still know exactly what pace you are going. When I have run on the track I always look at the clock and listen to splits so that I can calculate my expected finish time at a given pace and how much I need to run per lap before I finish. Your brain uses a lot of energy when it is always making calculations throughout the pace. Imagine how fast Bekele would of run if he didn't have to use his brain. He would be sub 12:30 and sub 26
Wavelights are dumb. With wavelights you can literally switch off your brain and you still know exactly what pace you are going. When I have run on the track I always look at the clock and listen to splits so that I can calculate my expected finish time at a given pace and how much I need to run per lap before I finish. Your brain uses a lot of energy when it is always making calculations throughout the pace. Imagine how fast Bekele would of run if he didn't have to use his brain. He would be sub 12:30 and sub 26
Professional chess players burn 6,000 calories per day just from their brain, and they are not even moving. If I could turn my brain off and had sub 16 wave lights for my best 5,000m then it would of been so easy, and not as brutal as it actually was
The thread and topic is a fool’s errand of a discussion. Evolution will always continue, in every sport. Should records acquired barefoot and with no watches be the only ones that count? Maybe we should also only count marathon records pre-gels and carb/fuel drinks too?
I know right bruh? PEDs are just part of that evolution right bruh? How ‘bout rotating tracks? Or composite bats in MLB? Or electric bikes in the tour-de-France? Right bruh? Evolution will always continue right bruh?
World Record for the use of "Bruh" in a single post.
Please note that they only call for the asterisk on Wavelight assisted WRs, which makes sense to me based on their reasoning: seemingly mildly conflicting WA technical rules 6.4.4 and 6.4.8.
"However, before the use of WaveLight technology expands in official competitions, we suggest that records performed with technology-assisted pacing should be differentiated from those records performed without the assistance of such technology with an “asterisk”. This would be similar to the differentiation among female records established in Mixed/Only female races. Therefore, if an athlete wishes to break a non-technology-assisted record, still could by using traditional pacing. This measure would allow for a fairer comparison between athletes."
Everyone talking about the spikes and not paying attention to the main point. Typical of letsrun
Someone please explain to me why and how Wavelights make someone run faster? It's a visual aid, just like a clock and or watch. There's NO physical aid whatsoever. Unlike super spikes where there's tangible aid. I don't care if you had a million bucks in a wagon in front of you, if you can't run fast enough to catch it you won't.
FYI: Several sports scientists and Kenenisa Bekele are publishing a short Viewpoint article in the Journal of Applied Physiology. They call for asterisking any records set with super shoes/spikes and/or Wavelight pacing. Other scientists are invited to respond.
The shoes have been proven to not give the runner more energy return than they put in. The wavelights are helpful, but the runner still has to actually run it, the wave lights don’t participate in that part of the equation. Do you, in good concious, really believe that the examples you laid forth are any comparison? Do you typically resort to the use of “Bruh” to try to strengthen an argument you are attempting that has no basis other than anger as fuel?
Looks like your questions made him a bit uncomfortable, since he ignored you and went right back to his usual blathering.
Damn, this has to be the first time I agree with Banana Bread.
Yeah, the shoes are fine and natural progression of shoe tech (as long as they don't give you extra energy like real spring does) , but wavelight has just taken away the art of pacing.
btw, one thing that makes Komen's 3k record so hard to beat is the fact that his pacer and he did a terrific job at pacing in the race. All laps came in between 58-59s per lap. They're basically human metronome. No wonder even Bekele said that record could only be broken on a special day when everything is perfect"
Now the top guys just have to switch off their brain, chasing those stupid blue lights as long as they can like running on treadmill. Idk, I just think a separate category or an asterisk is warranted.