Grant Fisher’s long run

Running 18 miles a day to get sixth place again ?

Anyone know what in-run fueling he uses?

Lots and lots of EPO

Two questions come to mind:
1) Grant admitted to what many have seen since his 2022 WC 10k race in Eugene: his final lap needs more work, especially his decision making where he allows a gap to form with the leaders down the backstretch. How does addressing this (seemingly only) flaw in his racing translate to adjustments in training? Is this something that can be corrected through heart rate monitoring & lactate testing? Or, is the approach primarily mental?

We have adjusted training of course. The good news is that this adjustment should only take about one month to absorb so that is good. But we'll see when he races again. And with any race situation, there is a large mental component. I believe you can also work on that in training so you can execute in races.

2) Might there be a final "tune-up" race between now and the Trials; I.e., possibly a 1500 @ Portland Track Festival or another venue?

June 9 in NY - 1500.

It's not an "amazing" or "incredible" workout. His coach said as much. It's just a medium intensity long run. This is almost a minute per mile slower than his marathon pace would be, and he did it at a very low blood lactate level (though curves are very individual). Nobody is trying to hate on him; they're just pointing out that this was nothing special. Which is fine. Workouts are rarely supposed to be special.

When I ran 13:40's in college I regularly ran 15+ miles at roughly 5:55 average, this post makes it seem like a 13:40 guy is only able to run 6:30 pace for 15 miles, but really I'd say this person's son just never pushes the pace a little bit during a long run, lots of people running that fast can and do run around 6 flat pace for a steady long run where they press the pace a bit. Grant simply running 18 miles at 5:36 pace in altitude isn't the impressive thing, it's the fact that his heart rate was so low, meaning he wasn't digging deep at all and still running what is a pretty fast pace for most competitive runners.

Imagine he shared all his workouts - how many opinions and coaches that would create?!!
(Online) people can't just watch and appreciate - have to leave opinions, analyze publicly and give advices. But invite same people to live Q/A - nobody will ask questions and state opinions if allowed.

Grant typically does structured long runs, meaning not steady. A lot times he'll do something along the lines of starting at easy run pace and progress down to Marathon Effort. So probably something like starting at 6:40's getting down to 5:00's. If this is the case, it's safe to assume his heart rate probably started at 120ish and peaked at high 150's. Averaged out at 138. I do not think he clipped off 5:36's steady at a 138 HR.

Thanks so much for the insight into Grant’s training and racing schedule! Very rare these days and cool for us fans for sure!

He should ask for your advice what its like getting 4th-6th at your Turkey Trots.

For those of you with poor reading comprehension, I believe that the point of this thread is that 5:36/mile at altitude is almost jogging for Fisher. 5:36 also just happens to be the 1-mile PR of the typical letsrun troll.

I second that thanks.

Exciting month coming up.

Good one!!

That was when he was with BTC where Jerry had them do 2-hour "structured" long runs as you describe above.

However, reread Coach Scannell's response to this workout:

a cruisy long run during the phase where he's gearing up for US Trials. It wasn't hard, it wasn't even 'purposeful.' It was just a nice longer run (slightly uphill for half, slightly downhill for half). Nothing more than that.

Doesn't sound like a "structured long run" to me.

Since Jerry has changed his training approach this year (per a recent Evan Jager interview) -- replacing single long, hard sessions in favor of shorter 2-a-day workouts -- not sure even BTC is doing these "structured" sessions any more.

I ran D2 and know guys who ran 13:55 -14:10 running this. Thats not good. Is Grant ok? Did he get injured?

Someone should look into this, it seems like he seriously has an issue if he is doing D2 workouts.

Sounds like they overcooked the hell out of themselves. Any of them run 12:46 or 26:33 per chance?

Not to take anything away from Grant since he's clearly in great shape and seems to be doing all the right things - but the Oslo 5k today was eye opening about the competition Grant will face at the Olympics this summer. In a year where 3 guys have now run 12:40 or faster (not including the 2x reigning 5k world champ) I hope a 4th or 5th place is not regarded as a failure in this board's eyes.