Or, proven doper who was busted is able to see the signs of it in other athletes.
I doubt Johnson has much interesting or useful to say. He has been ostracized by mainstream track for decades. Also, drugs have changed wildly since the crude, basic chemicals that he used in the 1980s. He probably has no insight.
Someone who has had the experience of doping has some degree of knowledge about it. Sure - some of what he says is also self-serving and appears to be saying everybody was doing it and not just him. Today, he may be right.
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“After Johnson failed his urine test, he would allege Jackson had breached doping control room security and contaminated his beer with the drug later detected in his urine”
Jackson was also working part-time in Houlihan’s food truck in December 2020.
Who has beer while waiting in doping control?
Who urinates or defecates out exactly what they drank just a few minutes prior ? ...did Ben pioneer gastric sleeves in '88 to help with his figure ?
What a classic Sprint geezer post! And no I do not mean that even in a slightly good way. So many words, so little Clarity on what the hell his point is.
And of course so much of it really about himself. Talk about rambling and self-absorption.
Of course you’re correct that it wasn’t any kind of tight, cogent argument. That’s not why I wrote the post.
Tough to speculate. On the one hand, the times have not gotten much faster, even with the super spikes and the modern running surfaces at most big venues. There are no astronomical times. On the other hand, at some levels, training has improved, on the track and off. However, some of the US groups are being coached by old school heads like Mitchell. Ultimately, the times do not lie. Somebody would have to be microdosing to run just fast enough to be consistently competitive and not pee hot.
Why does this come as a surprise? Of course a guy caught for doping is going to say that everyone's doping and it's worse than when he was there, do you think he'd say "yeah these guys are super fast, way better than me, and they're all clean!"? It's no different than some washed up football player calling everyone soft and saying he could beat everyone currently in the game if he was in his prime. The idea that doping is *worse* now than when Johnson was competing without Out of Competition Testing is just nuts. Even if you think everyone's still doping, they have to do less of it to avoid getting caught compared to full blast during the offseason like they did in Johnson's era.
They're not doing less of it at all.Compare the physiques of today's sprinters with those in the 80s,and you'll see that they're pumping a lot more drugs in their systems-and they're getting away with it.Today's sprinters are much more muscled,and a lot bigger.Yes there is out of competition testing,but there's something else at play here.
The issue is the lack of choice. For sprinters, there really aren't many designer steroids out there, which means HGH and insulin are the mainstay. If athletes had the choice, they'd use oxandrolone, boldenone or stanozolol. They enable much better power to weight ratio. Athletes in the 80s tended to look far more "whippet" like and sinewy. And whoever was talking about clenbuterol sensitivity: the sensitivity was there in the early 90s. No-one is taking that anymore... unless they're stupid.
They're not doing less of it at all.Compare the physiques of today's sprinters with those in the 80s,and you'll see that they're pumping a lot more drugs in their systems-and they're getting away with it.Today's sprinters are much more muscled,and a lot bigger.Yes there is out of competition testing,but there's something else at play here.
The issue is the lack of choice. For sprinters, there really aren't many designer steroids out there, which means HGH and insulin are the mainstay. If athletes had the choice, they'd use oxandrolone, boldenone or stanozolol. They enable much better power to weight ratio. Athletes in the 80s tended to look far more "whippet" like and sinewy. And whoever was talking about clenbuterol sensitivity: the sensitivity was there in the early 90s. No-one is taking that anymore... unless they're stupid.
Boldenone was hardly ever used with sprinters - it's an oil-based injectable with a long glow time & a higher androgenic base. Oxandrolone (Anavar) & stanozolol (Winstrol) are orals with much shorter glow times. And both are highly anabolic with very low androgenic properties with neither one aromatizing (anavar is a big favorite with female bodybuilders). Winstrol is still being used in pro sports as there was.a top MLB pitcher that just tested positive for Winstrol in spring training.
I'm seeing a lot of positives in athletics & Olympic weightlifting for "SARMs." I don't know much about this PED as my expertise is more with the science of anabolic steroids & testosterone.
1. By what measure was Johnson "the worst doper in history"? Do you know hoe many people have been busted, and how many more got away with doping?
2. I care much, much more about an Olympic winner and WR breaker's opinion, doped or not, than I care about the uninformed inexperienced babbling of some unaccomplished twerp on LetsRun. You?
How many got busted right after settling a WR in an Olympic final? He took a dump on our sport in front of a world audience.
What he said that started this thread, is worthless and predictable.
So he’s “the worst doper in history” because he performed better than other dopers in history?
Johnson did a recent interview on Radio Jamaica sports where he admitted that while he doesn't watch much track and field, he doesn't think much has changed in terms of doping. He also seemed to blame his drug bust on the fact that he was beating Americans.
"Nothing much has changed over the years. I mean, I think it's got(ten) worse than back in my day because now people are seeing opportunity that they can do very well in this -they can make a living. (But) if you're not an American, and if you beat Americans, you did something wrong and the Americans always blame other people, but also they do the same thing even worse, so they don't want to accept the fact that we have people outside of the country that is better than them and you've got to respect that...
In my days, you know, I'm a Jamaican immigrant to Canada and (I) become the best and (I) beat (the) Americans and (they) didn't like it.
I believe it. We are seeing FRESHMEN running these absurd times that some D1 athletes were running 20-30 years ago. It's a little... too good to be true if you ask me. It doesn't seem right
HEAVILY considering the fact that once these freshmen do get into college, they completely vanish off the face of the earth, never improve, and just progressively worsen. It's suspicious for sure.
I no longer look at an underclassmen that runs some absurd D1 time as a "prodigy" because personally, I feel like there's a little TOO many of them. Especially in Cali. Got like freshmen boys running 10.4. That's ridiculous. Something has to be going on.
Carl Lewis was a bigger doper than Ben Johnson. Not even arguable.
Maybe...BUT, I always think of these 3 things with Ben vs. Carl = Ben was faster, Ben was much more muscular, Ben got caught a couple of times for using steroids. ...so maybe Ben used and Carl didn't. ...but damn those braces at 30 Y.O. Carl. ...got a good nose operation at about 22 years old...yet waits 8 more years to fix his teeth ??? It's depressing to think he might have used HGH in the 1991 season and beyond. ...hopefully it was just that Coach Telez liked buck-toothed young men.
How many got busted right after settling a WR in an Olympic final? He took a dump on our sport in front of a world audience.
What he said that started this thread, is worthless and predictable.
So he’s “the worst doper in history” because he performed better than other dopers in history?
Wow, brilliant logic.
I should been more specific in that I was referring only T&F. An actual bust carries far more weight than speculation. For you, does Armstrong make the all-time top 10 doper list for cycling? He did outperform the other dopers.
I really don’t see why anyone would want to support Johnson. He was a bad guy and it would have been better if he never competed in track.
I doubt Johnson has much interesting or useful to say. He has been ostracized by mainstream track for decades. Also, drugs have changed wildly since the crude, basic chemicals that he used in the 1980s. He probably has no insight.
Someone who has had the experience of doping has some degree of knowledge about it. Sure - some of what he says is also self-serving and appears to be saying everybody was doing it and not just him. Today, he may be right.
Someone who has had the experience of doping has some degree of knowledge about it. Sure - some of what he says is also self-serving and appears to be saying everybody was doing it and not just him. Today, he may be right.
I don’t think he knows anything.
Most body builders would be a better judge of identifying possible PED use by other athletes.
Carl Lewis was a bigger doper than Ben Johnson. Not even arguable.
Maybe...BUT, I always think of these 3 things with Ben vs. Carl = Ben was faster, Ben was much more muscular, Ben got caught a couple of times for using steroids. ...so maybe Ben used and Carl didn't. ...but damn those braces at 30 Y.O. Carl. ...got a good nose operation at about 22 years old...yet waits 8 more years to fix his teeth ??? It's depressing to think he might have used HGH in the 1991 season and beyond. ...hopefully it was just that Coach Telez liked buck-toothed young men.
SMH....I know plenty of people who have Invisalign to correct their teeth as they aged in their 40's and 50's who were never athletes or taken any drugs. Getting your teeth fixed is not an indication of PED's.
Maybe...BUT, I always think of these 3 things with Ben vs. Carl = Ben was faster, Ben was much more muscular, Ben got caught a couple of times for using steroids. ...so maybe Ben used and Carl didn't. ...but damn those braces at 30 Y.O. Carl. ...got a good nose operation at about 22 years old...yet waits 8 more years to fix his teeth ??? It's depressing to think he might have used HGH in the 1991 season and beyond. ...hopefully it was just that Coach Telez liked buck-toothed young men.
SMH....I know plenty of people who have Invisalign to correct their teeth as they aged in their 40's and 50's who were never athletes or taken any drugs. Getting your teeth fixed is not an indication of PED's.
I went to the trouble of mentioning Carl's nose operation at about 22 - BECAUSE, that demonstrates he was willing to go to some trouble, to look the way he wanted to...so why wait 8 years more, for some simple braces ? ...unless your teeth/jaw were changing. I doubt your plenty of associates were using HGH - because it doesn't help with playing the banjo.
Someone who has had the experience of doping has some degree of knowledge about it. Sure - some of what he says is also self-serving and appears to be saying everybody was doing it and not just him. Today, he may be right.