Simeon Birnbaum pathetic 3:45

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3 months ago 03/26/2024 1:03pm EDT

re: pathfinder

pathfinder wrote:
You think he could be a world beater in the steeple? Have you seen him run barriers? I haven't, so I'm not about to jump to that conclusion. We don't know if he has the athletic ability (or desire) to do that.

Presumably, you believe that you can discern steeplechase ability just by watching them hurdle? Pat yourself on the back. With over 45 years of observation and/or participation in the event, I've never been able to come to that conclusion. But you can?

The only way to determine whether or not a runner has potential in the steeplechase is for them to actually run the event. Brandon Bethke had the desire and determination needed. He was also an excellent hurdler. He was tested many times. Jerry Schumacher thinks Bethke could be a steeplechaser. All the metrics say so. I'd be willing to bet that you would too. Only one thing -- he sucked in the steeplechase. Like really sucked.

The steeplechase is a funny event. "Ev'rybody funny, now you funny too."

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3 months ago 03/26/2024 1:10pm EDT

re: RichardRider

RichardRider wrote:
That 1:47 would def come in handy 2 laps from finish of steeple.

Not really.

3 months ago 03/26/2024 1:31pm EDT

re: malmo

It’s also caveman thinking in this era of the 1500 to rule out a prospect based on their (pretty good) 800m speed. Birnbaum just needs to get in better shape than we can worry about his best event. The top 2 in the steeple are very fast at the 3,000.

3 months ago 03/26/2024 1:43pm EDT

re: FlightReacts1

Hey, it's not that bad, considering Centro got an Olympic gold medal with a 5 seconds slower time

3 months ago 03/26/2024 2:23pm EDT

re: FlightReacts1

FlightReacts1 wrote:
Not impressed by this at all, he ran 3:37-3:40 three times as a high schooler last year. At least a 3:42 or faster would be considered good by him

Can we please not criticize Jerry/Oregon/Simeon for racing? Everyone on this board says they should race more, and then when they do, people say it's not good enough. I know being a college athlete these days comes with lots of pressure and criticism - and to be truly great you have to tune it out - but good lord, just let them be. Every race is not going to be a PR.

Simeon also said he's coming back from a sacral stress fracture, which is a major injury. It's going to take him some time to get back. He seems like a true untapped talent; let's let it play out without bashing the guy.

I'm not really an Oregon or Jerry or even Simeon fan (the way he and Burns treated the Youngs was incredibly immature and classless, although Burns seemed to be the driving force behind that), but criticizing a college freshman's performance is not how we should support the rising stars in this sport. They need to be supported.

3 months ago 03/26/2024 2:29pm EDT

re: FlightReacts1

FlightReacts1 wrote:
Not impressed by this at all, he ran 3:37-3:40 three times as a high schooler last year. At least a 3:42 or faster would be considered good by him

I swear this happens to literally every athlete who was amazing in HS. Especially if they go to Oregon. They fall off the face of the earth...

3 months ago 03/26/2024 2:29pm EDT

re: dudewhatthehell

OldSub4 wrote:
I dont think you need to be a 47 quarter miler in high school to be considered, but you probably need to have run a 50 or so. Like I said my top end 200 speed was around 21.7, but I think I had a little more front end speed than a number of guys. If you are a real 800m man with fast and slow twitch you can take 22 200m speed and run a 47 quarter off that. With 47 speed you can go out in 50 from the gun and feel comfortable enough to compete over the last 400m. If you are much slower than this I dont know if you can be on the pace at an international level. When I was in HS i was amazed by anyone who could run under 50, but particularly for late growers, your 400 speeds really keeps improving with age and with training until you are probably 21....even Michael Johnson dropped a few seconds in his 20s. So if you are a 51 second 400m man in HS you should absolutely be encouraged to shoot for the moon if you have the gumption to take up 800m training.

Actual elite runner's opinion on the speed needed to be an elite 800m man. I think a sub 50 junior (in his one time running it FAT) who turned into a 1:47 guy the next year might have the wheels for international 1500s

3 months ago 03/26/2024 2:30pm EDT

re: RichardRider

RichardRider wrote:
cramister wrote:
49.89 open jr year, he's got wheels!
All of that's great for a hs kid for sure. Problem is, everyone he's going to meet from here on out in races of significance is going to have the same or better. Hes not running against just less talented hs kids anymore. Just review the rust buster 1500 last weekend again. He had no response at all to Cook. I know its early and Im not the one whos calling him pathetic. He's far from that and has HUGE potential. I just dont think its in the 1500. That 1:47 isnt going to drop much further. He's a grinder not a gear shifter. That 1:47 would def come in handy 2 laps from finish of steeple.

It's crazy to say he doesn't have potential in the 1500 when he's run faster in the 1500 (and 800) then both Nuguse and Hocker did at that age. Have some patience.

3 months ago 03/26/2024 7:25pm EDT

re: wompwomp

wompwomp wrote:
He said he's coming off a pretty bad injury on his Strava (believe he said a stress fracture/reaction). Seems like Jerry's off to a great start with his star studded recruits.

We ignoring the fact Simeon hasn't posted jack on his strava since September?

3 months ago 03/26/2024 7:28pm EDT

re: FlightReacts1

I don’t see any patheticism about that time

3 months ago 03/27/2024 1:21am EDT

re: simeon birnbaum beuh

simeon birnbaum beuh wrote:
wompwomp wrote:
He said he's coming off a pretty bad injury on his Strava (believe he said a stress fracture/reaction). Seems like Jerry's off to a great start with his star studded recruits.
We ignoring the fact Simeon hasn't posted jack on his strava since September?

Simeon hasn’t posted any runs, but he posted a text post in advance of the meet (and after the meet to recap it).

3 months ago 03/27/2024 3:42am EDT

re: FlightReacts1

where was burnsy? Would he have won the 1200 or lost to Harrison?

3 months ago 03/27/2024 10:31am EDT

re: malmo

malmo wrote:
pathfinder wrote:
You think he could be a world beater in the steeple? Have you seen him run barriers? I haven't, so I'm not about to jump to that conclusion. We don't know if he has the athletic ability (or desire) to do that.
Presumably, you believe that you can discern steeplechase ability just by watching them hurdle? Pat yourself on the back. With over 45 years of observation and/or participation in the event, I've never been able to come to that conclusion. But you can?
The only way to determine whether or not a runner has potential in the steeplechase is for them to actually run the event. Brandon Bethke had the desire and determination needed. He was also an excellent hurdler. He was tested many times. Jerry Schumacher thinks Bethke could be a steeplechaser. All the metrics say so. I'd be willing to bet that you would too. Only one thing -- he sucked in the steeplechase. Like really sucked.
The steeplechase is a funny event. "Ev'rybody funny, now you funny too."

Not surprisingly, you show up with the wrong take.

My point was exactly the same. He needs to run the steeple (which includes seeing him running barriers) before anybody can make a conclusion on whether or not he'll be a good steepler.

You thought I meant he just needs to run a few strides over barriers, and we'll be able to determine whether he's a world beater? Congrats on the 45 years!

3 months ago 03/27/2024 11:33am EDT

re: pathfinder

The sky is not falling.

You all realize that the fastest time in the Big 10 right now is a 3:47?

Sounds like they are going to be fine in their new conference.

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