- picture of him 4th at WC 5000m Final behind Jakob, Katir and Krop "As elite athletes we are held to the highest standards we are required to provide whereabouts information. A 60-minute time slot for each day where athletes will be available and accessible for drug testing and liable for a potential ‘missed test’. It’s part of our job and what we signed up for to compete at this level. Too many times innocent athletes are punished by others, whether that’s making a team, making a final, or getting a medal. I truly believe in the process Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU) this is not a sad week for track and field instead it’s a happy week knowing that all athletes can be on a starting line held to the same standards and accountability @wada_ama @worldathletics "
As much as I would agree with Luis, he does forget these testers are humans and possibly hold their own agenda. They could've easily pulled up to his location and left claiming he never showed up. At the end of the day it's the tester's word against theirs. WADA can be corrupted and should be reformed. I don't see how with all the scandals Anti-Doping agencies have gotten athletes still want to pretend the system isn't rigged or against certain athletes.
I recommend you try a bit of an experiment on yourself.
Book yourself a holiday to Mexico. Enjoy all the local cuisine, steak, pork, the whole lot. Then arrange yourself a dope test the next day. I’ll lend you the money for it. But then just pay us back for that test when you turn in a positive for prohibited substances
If it was this easy, don't you think this would have been actually proved?
And fox chickens? Lord Coe is the most bent person in sports.
I liked Mo Katir but after looking into him some more I saw that he made a 13:50-12:50 jump in a year and his improvement curve and level of training shows he by no means should have been able to do that.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and looks like a duck it’s probably a duck, maybe a goose best case scenario.
From what I understand you don’t just “not realize you already have 2 violations” If you are a world medalist and care about your sport you would absolutely stay on top of that.
You are quite representative for the thoroughness and the integrity posters use in this thread:
”13.50 - 12.50 jump in a year and his improvement curve..by no means...” -yeah, sure; did you even bother to check his performance profile on World athletics (or other threads about Katir) before you supported the hype train that clearly dreams of killing him and all his moral and value as a human being..?
Fact is this: Katir did not improve his 13.50 to 12.50 in a year. -He ran 13.50 in 2018 and 12.50 in 2021; three years later (and we don’t even know if his 13.50 was an all out race like the 12.50). -His improvement here seems, IMO, perfectly OK.
Let me transfer your “logic” to an other athlete so you can see for yourself how horrible progression evaluations like yours can turn out: Jake Wightman -his 5000m pb is 15.37 (although he has run 7.37 in the 3000m). Well, I would estimate that a sub 13.37 from Jake now wouldn’t be a bombshell, don’t you agree. But that would be a 2 minutes improvement in one year according to your logic: DOPER!
You and others in this thread use fluffy or even incorrect indications to conclude without a shade of uncertainty. Whereas the logically procedure is this: Wait and see if Katir’s appeal is turned down. If so, yes, he then would seem to have deserved a two years ban and increased suspicions of being dirty…
I recommend you try a bit of an experiment on yourself.
Book yourself a holiday to Mexico. Enjoy all the local cuisine, steak, pork, the whole lot. Then arrange yourself a dope test the next day. I’ll lend you the money for it. But then just pay us back for that test when you turn in a positive for prohibited substances
If it was this easy, don't you think this would have been actually proved?
And fox chickens? Lord Coe is the most bent person in sports.
You are a doping apologist.
+1
If he were correct, all Mexicans elite athletes would test positive every time, lol.
Also obfuscation, as Houlihan was nabbed in Oregon, which is in America. Her lawyer with his vast experience knew very well why he didn't even try the contamination excuse.
BTW Left Said Fred, you got the Coleman story all wrong despite all your alleged expert knowledge. He neither had "an explanation for his third missed test" , nor did he miss two AIU tests thereafter.The AIU actually used that very test as one the three from 2019 to ban him successfully after USADA's screw-up.
He got the first (of those 3 that led to the provisional suspension) backdated because the incompetent or corrupt USADA changed their story, changing that missed test into a whereabouts failure and then backdating it.
And you are also wrong in assuming what I contended about Wilson. I just pointed out that your holy USADA did exactly what you said they wouldn't do: simply accept the beef excuse. That is particularly damning because they found out within days and could therefore have tested the beef easily - or at least tried to.
I recommend you try a bit of an experiment on yourself.
Book yourself a holiday to Mexico. Enjoy all the local cuisine, steak, pork, the whole lot. Then arrange yourself a dope test the next day. I’ll lend you the money for it. But then just pay us back for that test when you turn in a positive for prohibited substances
If it was this easy, don't you think this would have been actually proved?
And fox chickens? Lord Coe is the most bent person in sports.
You are a doping apologist.
This is proved,that un castrated boar fed on soya,gives high nandrolone values. Proved by Norwegian researchers. Take a look on the papers from the CAS ruling in the Houlihan case…
If he were correct, all Mexicans elite athletes would test positive every time, lol.
Also obfuscation, as Houlihan was nabbed in Oregon, which is in America. Her lawyer with his vast experience knew very well why he didn't even try the contamination excuse.
BTW Left Said Fred, you got the Coleman story all wrong despite all your alleged expert knowledge. He neither had "an explanation for his third missed test" , nor did he miss two AIU tests thereafter.The AIU actually used that very test as one the three from 2019 to ban him successfully after USADA's screw-up.
He got the first (of those 3 that led to the provisional suspension) backdated because the incompetent or corrupt USADA changed their story, changing that missed test into a whereabouts failure and then backdating it.
And you are also wrong in assuming what I contended about Wilson. I just pointed out that your holy USADA did exactly what you said they wouldn't do: simply accept the beef excuse. That is particularly damning because they found out within days and could therefore have tested the beef easily - or at least tried to.
Your first sentence is in logical -if pork meat in Mexico contains more nandrolone than in other countries, and Mexican athletes know this, they could stay clean by simply not eating pork meat…
I recommend you try a bit of an experiment on yourself.
Book yourself a holiday to Mexico. Enjoy all the local cuisine, steak, pork, the whole lot. Then arrange yourself a dope test the next day. I’ll lend you the money for it. But then just pay us back for that test when you turn in a positive for prohibited substances
If it was this easy, don't you think this would have been actually proved?
And fox chickens? Lord Coe is the most bent person in sports.
You are a doping apologist.
We don’t even know for sure how this is in the US /Oregon. -A re known food expert testified in the Houlihan case that the chances of high nandrolone pork in the US food chain was close to zero, but the CAS papers don’t document how he knows… And they don’t evaluate the possibility of a black marked that sells cheap un castrated boar meat (fed on soya) f.ex in Oregon…
We don’t even know for sure how this is in the US /Oregon. -A re known food expert testified in the Houlihan case that the chances of high nandrolone pork in the US food chain was close to zero, but the CAS papers don’t document how he knows… And they don’t evaluate the possibility of a black marked that sells cheap un castrated boar meat (fed on soya) f.ex in Oregon…
And a Wada expert posed that several athletes have been popped for ingesting nandrolone. But what does this mean? -A) That there are a lot of athletes that against all odds think ingesting nandrolone pills boost the performance?
B) That contaminated boar meat is more common in the US than expected, and that a lot of these athletes are innocent?
More of the same, expected complaining from the "cheated" athletes.
Grijalva's place doesn't change. He can tell himself that the only reason he didn't medal is because people in front of him cheated, but it won't change the result. Katir was the better runner on the day. If you are going to throw a hissy fit that the only people who beat you are people with better nutritionists, pharmacists, and trainers, then maybe you shouldn't be in the sport.
To be clear, "doping" is a bogus allegation. It's 2024. Modern sports science is such that every athlete today would be considered "dopers" in 2016. Let our athletes make decisions about what they put in their bodies and how they train. Then line them up on race day and see who wins. This is not the early-20th Century where athletes are ingesting strychnine. The scientists and athletes are professionals who can be trusted to make safe decisions.
How dumb is it that anytime someone runs fast you accuse them of doping.
My point was for a young man like Luis from an underdog country, finishing 4th is teriffic. He's not doing it because he wants to be upgraded to the podium.