It's because they're all about to be forced to pay every student-athlete $30k a year by law. So not only does the back up kicker get $30k a year...but so does the random Title IX fodder who you let walk on to the team because she has good grades and counts 3 times if you toss her a t-shIfirt...but soon the school is going to have to pay her $30k a year as well. Where's that money coming from?
But nothing forces a school to pay anything if it doesn't want to.
That is likely about to change. Not yet...but schools are having to prepare to be forced to do so by law as we speak. Loyola Marymount University cited this as one of the reasons they had to cut their programs. And they were never going to do that unless they were forced to by law. They won't be the last...
But nothing forces a school to pay anything if it doesn't want to.
That is likely about to change. Not yet...but schools are having to prepare to be forced to do so by law as we speak. Loyola Marymount University cited this as one of the reasons they had to cut their programs. And they were never going to do that unless they were forced to by law. They won't be the last...
No law is ever going to require a school to pay their athletes a salary. It is very possible that schools which want to remain at least somewhat competitive in particular sports will feel forced to do so because that's what their competitors are doing but there won't be a law requiring it and it's very unlikely 1-AA schools will feel that need because they aren't trying to compete with schools that will. Exactly what law are you referring to when you cite Loyola Marymount? And how is that they're the only school affected by that law?
I know this is late to the game, but UCLA has not been receiving money from alumni, USC has, but UCLA has been running at a significant deficit the last three years, they will be keeping cross country as long as the Big Ten contract goes through as well as swimming an gymnastics, which were also on the cutting board. UCLA only receives $17 million from donors yearly, which is nothing compared to the deal with the Big Ten (close to $100 million). This will cover travel costs and track/cross country are small cost sports.
Interested to see how this Dartmouth rumor pans out, especially after seeing the UCLA director resign. Heard from several that the director, Porscha, has been MIA since February. You'd think they wouldn't do something like that given their history, but their administration hasn't done the team many favors in the past few years.
I’m hearing Dartmouth and UCLA are dropping Cross-Country next fall.
Dartmouth is more likely to fire the AD. The clock is ticking on that guy. If they drop XC, they will face a massive lawsuit that will bring out a lot of the recent screwups.
Thanks. Maybe I'll give up on this thread soon but the starting point here is that it's going to be disastrous for track and cross country when the P4 schools break away from the NCAA and play football on their own. Everyone who's posting here about the possible imminent demise of cross country and track on this thread (unless I'm missing seeing a post or two) is talking about programs that in danger now. I'm sure you know much more than I do about what's going on at Lehigh but when you talk about the likelihood of track being dropped there you're saying it's to make room for women's wrestling and not because schools like Penn State won't be playing football in the NCAA. That's worth knowing but what I'm trying to figure out here is how what goes on in the athletic departments of the fiftyish biggest time football playing schools can affect what goes on in the athletic programs of schools not playing 1A football.
It's because they're all about to be forced to pay every student-athlete $30k a year by law. So not only does the back up kicker get $30k a year...but so does the random Title IX fodder who you let walk on to the team because she has good grades and counts 3 times if you toss her a t-shirt...but soon the school is going to have to pay her $30k a year as well. Where's that money coming from?
It's because they're all about to be forced to pay every student-athlete $30k a year by law. So not only does the back up kicker get $30k a year...but so does the random Title IX fodder who you let walk on to the team because she has good grades and counts 3 times if you toss her a t-shirt...but soon the school is going to have to pay her $30k a year as well. Where's that money coming from?
I’m hearing Dartmouth and UCLA are dropping Cross-Country next fall.
Dartmouth is more likely to fire the AD. The clock is ticking on that guy. If they drop XC, they will face a massive lawsuit that will bring out a lot of the recent screwups.
what would the lawsuit be for? Pretty sure it’s not unlawful for them to drop their program if they want to.
D3 seems to be the final frontier on what college athletics should be. Study hard in high school, go to a good D3 school, get some academic merit money, get a good education and run.
Thanks. Maybe I'll give up on this thread soon but the starting point here is that it's going to be disastrous for track and cross country when the P4 schools break away from the NCAA and play football on their own. Everyone who's posting here about the possible imminent demise of cross country and track on this thread (unless I'm missing seeing a post or two) is talking about programs that in danger now. I'm sure you know much more than I do about what's going on at Lehigh but when you talk about the likelihood of track being dropped there you're saying it's to make room for women's wrestling and not because schools like Penn State won't be playing football in the NCAA. That's worth knowing but what I'm trying to figure out here is how what goes on in the athletic departments of the fiftyish biggest time football playing schools can affect what goes on in the athletic programs of schools not playing 1A football.
It's because they're all about to be forced to pay every student-athlete $30k a year by law. So not only does the back up kicker get $30k a year...but so does the random Title IX fodder who you let walk on to the team because she has good grades and counts 3 times if you toss her a t-shirt...but soon the school is going to have to pay her $30k a year as well. Where's that money coming from?
The biggest thing to keep an eye out for is the NCAA minimum sports rule (16 for FBS, 14 for everyone else) being dropped, or significantly lowered. It's coming, it has too. Once that happens it's going to be a bloodbath for non-revenue mens sports. Look to most schools to keep football and mens basketball and the absolute minimum number of women's sports to satisfy title IX.
If college presidents and their allies continue to claim that the NCAA Division I 14-sport minimum rule is the reason why they cannot invest more into intramurual sports or pay their commerical athletes, it is time to bring a...
So, everyone here is focused on Division 1 and that's understandable.However, a lot of athletes may simply attend Division 3 universities instead, where scholarships and the like are simply not a thing..is it good for the sport? No, but maybe not being associated with D1 or the NCAA entirely is ultimately a good thing.
I agree, the D3 model may be the only thing that saves non-revenue sports at the college level. Many smaller D3 schools are about to take a serious demographic hit, collegiate track and field is going to get clobbered from multiple directions in the coming years:
Lower birthrates during the Great Recession will result in fewer college-age students starting in 2025, threatening tuition-dependent private colleges.
My two cents is that any program can get cut without warning. I saw Stanford try to cut a whole lot of programs during COVID, along with others who actually went through with it. I've seen a national contender in track and field JUCO cut their program so they could build apartments on the track. Recently, I saw a school in St. Louis (Lindenwood) go D1 for football two years ago and within a year they cut 10 athletic programs and announced layoffs.
I guarantee when push comes to shove the decision makers will protect their own jobs first (just like corporate America) and we can hope that we have major benefactors for the university in our corner. Baseball and Wrestling teams should be taking note of everything going on as well. What they are going to do with Title IX is the multi-billion dollar question. I hope I'm wrong on all of this.
What I think might happen before these death blows is what James Madison did when they added football at the D1 level. They charge every student a $5,600 .
can't understand small colleges like Lindenwood making massive investments in football instead of waiting a few years to see what the state of the NCAA looks like after the dust of NIL, paying players, and total reconstruction of conference and postseason playoffs settles. do you really think the SEC, Big 10, and Big 12 are gonna go out of their way to help out small schools?.
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