This sounds like it's a toss-up between NYRR and the transportation authority as to who's at fault, possibly even both. Also, I've been in races where people have wound up driving on to the route, and had to slowly get around us runners (due to volunteers not being at every intersection along the race route), but nothing this dangerous has ever happened, yet (knock on wood).
This should never, ever happen in NYC and especially not at a NYRR race. NYRR is responsible for securing the course and ensuring the safety of all of the participants. There should have been blue police barriers in place. Trucks blocking the entrances to any street that enters the route. This is a serious error and beyond a serious problem.
not sure what your post has to do with growing evidence of significant institutional decline at NYRR but ok got your point. Yes, big city marathons tick off a lot of locals. They also charm many many more than the angry ones, of course.
Reads like someone trying to deflect from your pointing out the reality of the sad downward spiral of NYRR from running organization to woke organization. It seems to be working out for them though. Business is booming. They're selling out these races in a way I've never seen before. I don't get it.
Point is it's getting in the way of OTHER people's personal and professional business.
Heck, I'm a runner myself, but as a driver and a pedestrian I'm getting annoyed when roads are closed off for whatever effing reason I don't care about.
Reads like someone trying to deflect from your pointing out the reality of the sad downward spiral of NYRR from running organization to woke organization. It seems to be working out for them though. Business is booming. They're selling out these races in a way I've never seen before. I don't get it.
Point is it's getting in the way of OTHER people's personal and professional business.
Heck, I'm a runner myself, but as a driver and a pedestrian I'm getting annoyed when roads are closed off for whatever effing reason I don't care about.
WHAT TF does your opinion have to do with a street being left wide open during a major very high profile NYRR race and a bus driving onto the course?
It's hard to tell for sure what happened, but here's my guess.
It looks like there were two course monitors at that intersection. There is a course monitor (in yellow) on the near side of the road and another monitor (in red) on the far side of the road.
My guess is that the light for the crossroad was originally red as the runners approached so the bus had completely stopped. (We can't tell for sure because the video only starts just before the incident.)
The course monitor in red should have stepped in front of the bus and held up his hand to show that the bus needed to stay stopped, but the course monitor *assumed* the bus driver saw the motorcycles/runners and would stay stopped. When the light turned green, the bus driver who obviously hadn't seen the runners started across. This makes sense when you see how slow the bus is moving and how quickly it stopped.
2022 Bronx 10 mismeasurement, massive transportation chaos at the 2022 NYCM, bib tag screwups at the 2023 Staten Island Half, 5 Ave Mile cancellation, neglecting to close the course at the 2023 Dash to the Finish...
NYRR is a shadow of the world-leading institution it was, pre-covid. They have a media guy running the place and apparently the operations team is severely weakened.
I bet a journalist or a business school case-study writer could do an interesting research project on the decline of NYRR after firing its top staff and then COVID. Watching a world-class institution decline hurts.
Build back a culture of excellence!
Rob Simmelkjaer is the CEO of New York Road Runners. I don't see his name mentioned anywhere in this thread. He needs to be called out for the dysfunction. LR posters have no problem calling out Max Siegel by name. Rob needs some heat too.
Reads like someone trying to deflect from your pointing out the reality of the sad downward spiral of NYRR from running organization to woke organization. It seems to be working out for them though. Business is booming. They're selling out these races in a way I've never seen before. I don't get it.
Point is it's getting in the way of OTHER people's personal and professional business.
Heck, I'm a runner myself, but as a driver and a pedestrian I'm getting annoyed when roads are closed off for whatever effing reason I don't care about.
Back in the mid 80's there was a book about the world of time marathons/road races, it said that the NYC Marathon brought in more revenue than all the NY (and NJ) teams combined.
Live with it for a few hours on a Saturday/Sunday morning.
2022 Bronx 10 mismeasurement, massive transportation chaos at the 2022 NYCM, bib tag screwups at the 2023 Staten Island Half, 5 Ave Mile cancellation, neglecting to close the course at the 2023 Dash to the Finish...
NYRR is a shadow of the world-leading institution it was, pre-covid. They have a media guy running the place and apparently the operations team is severely weakened.
I bet a journalist or a business school case-study writer could do an interesting research project on the decline of NYRR after firing its top staff and then COVID. Watching a world-class institution decline hurts.
Build back a culture of excellence!
Rob Simmelkjaer is the CEO of New York Road Runners. I don't see his name mentioned anywhere in this thread. He needs to be called out for the dysfunction. LR posters have no problem calling out Max Siegel by name. Rob needs some heat too.
It definitely should be, and probably is, being investigated. Someone wasn't paying attention (the bus driver, a course marshal?). That person should be dealt with. If it was a volunteer, what can you do? Ban them from volunteering? If it's the driver- he's a pro, deal with him.
Remember the 2004 Olympics (Athens) in the marathon when that crazy guy attacked the runner?
Go back and watch the video- there was a guy on a bike looking DOWN at the ground. If he were paying attention he could have stopped it.
Someone is to blame and that person should be held accountable because this was more than just sending runners the wrong way.
Lawyers of Letsrun, who would have been on the hook if this had been slightly different?
How come you're starting these "what if" threads? Especially since it seems you're channeling youself as the victim if the outcome were different of what is shown. You did it yesterday when Barrios made a politically incorrect point and you asked what if a white person had said it.
Lawyers of Letsrun, who would have been on the hook if this had been slightly different?
Sadly, we have dumbed down society in almost every aspect. It's not just running, but in my area, no one cares about certified courses, most don't even know that courses are supposed to be certified (they all think their GPS is accurate).
I was in a race last week- a few of us approach an intersection- a major road with traffic, we had three choices- right, left, straight. 3 volunteers, traffic stopped. Confused runners. I yelled out- Which way! They all say- straight.
Point is it's getting in the way of OTHER people's personal and professional business.
Heck, I'm a runner myself, but as a driver and a pedestrian I'm getting annoyed when roads are closed off for whatever effing reason I don't care about.
Back in the mid 80's there was a book about the world of time marathons/road races, it said that the NYC Marathon brought in more revenue than all the NY (and NJ) teams combined.
Live with it for a few hours on a Saturday/Sunday morning.
couple of studies have found increased mortality during big city marathons, because of longer times to get people to hospital.
I'm sure that's balanced by people inspired to healthier lives by big city marathons.
Back in the mid 80's there was a book about the world of time marathons/road races, it said that the NYC Marathon brought in more revenue than all the NY (and NJ) teams combined.
Live with it for a few hours on a Saturday/Sunday morning.
couple of studies have found increased mortality during big city marathons, because of longer times to get people to hospital.
I'm sure that's balanced by people inspired to healthier lives by big city marathons.
There's usually 1 or 2 a year, not large number. However I think many are undertrained and just want a marathon finish on their life's resume, "ignant" of the physical demand and the fact that even highly trained pro runners can collapse. (Ryan Shay)
Rob Simmelkjaer is the CEO of New York Road Runners. I don't see his name mentioned anywhere in this thread. He needs to be called out for the dysfunction. LR posters have no problem calling out Max Siegel by name. Rob needs some heat too.
It definitely should be, and probably is, being investigated. Someone wasn't paying attention (the bus driver, a course marshal?). That person should be dealt with. If it was a volunteer, what can you do? Ban them from volunteering? If it's the driver- he's a pro, deal with him.
Remember the 2004 Olympics (Athens) in the marathon when that crazy guy attacked the runner?
Go back and watch the video- there was a guy on a bike looking DOWN at the ground. If he were paying attention he could have stopped it.
Someone is to blame and that person should be held accountable because this was more than just sending runners the wrong way.
Ha! Ban volunteers?! Imagine? Who would do all of the work for this organization for free then? Part of the genius of the 9+1 program. Yet part of the problem.
couple of studies have found increased mortality during big city marathons, because of longer times to get people to hospital.
I'm sure that's balanced by people inspired to healthier lives by big city marathons.
There's usually 1 or 2 a year, not large number. However I think many are undertrained and just want a marathon finish on their life's resume, "ignant" of the physical demand and the fact that even highly trained pro runners can collapse. (Ryan Shay)
No, the increased mortality is not among runners, but in the city as a whole. Usually thought to be because of ambulances taking longer to travel.
There's usually 1 or 2 a year, not large number. However I think many are undertrained and just want a marathon finish on their life's resume, "ignant" of the physical demand and the fact that even highly trained pro runners can collapse. (Ryan Shay)
No, the increased mortality is not among runners, but in the city as a whole. Usually thought to be because of ambulances taking longer to travel.
So what you mean is non runner deaths because the marathon is blocking fast routes to the hospital?
The bus is outta control. So I grab him by the collar, I take him out of the seat, I get behind the wheel, now I'm driving the bus.
Yeah, yeah, I'm Batman. Then the mugger , he comes to and he starts choking me. So I'm fighting him off with one hand and kept driving the bus with the other, ya know. Then I managed to open the door and I ķicked him out, ya know, with my foot, ya know, at the next stop.
Jerry says, you kept making all the stops?
Kramer responded , Well, people kept ringing the bell!
The bus is outta control. So I grab him by the collar, I take him out of the seat, I get behind the wheel, now I'm driving the bus.
Yeah, yeah, I'm Batman. Then the mugger , he comes to and he starts choking me. So I'm fighting him off with one hand and kept driving the bus with the other, ya know. Then I managed to open the door and I ķicked him out, ya know, with my foot, ya know, at the next stop.
Jerry says, you kept making all the stops?
Kramer responded , Well, people kept ringing the bell!
Lawyers of Letsrun, who would have been on the hook if this had been slightly different?
Who would have been in the hook
5 runners would have been dead. That’s what we need to focus on.
This is nuts. Was the cross street not closed to traffic. The good thing is the bus (which has a green) looks to have been going slow and able to stop. But this is totally nuts.
Ask my lawyer, Jackie Chiles.
Maybe the bus driver was looking at an attractive woman wearing only a bra.
Has NYRR even issued a statement related to this? I haven't seen anything. If not, that is unacceptable considering a bunch of elite American men could have been killed or seriously injured because of incompetence on their part. I've never seen anything like this even at my local 5Ks run by random volunteers who don't know a thing about running.
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