What's the most difficult state to qualify for state in Cross Country and why?

I may be thinking about this wrong but what does percent have to do with it? Its the cutoff time/competition. If you cant run fast enough to unseat the slowest qualifier, percents don't matter. So big states with fast times matter.

Not sure if anyone already made a post for New York State, but for cross country, the qualification system for public schools is set up roughly like this:

11 sections compete at their respective sectional (state qualifier) meet; for sectionals and the state meet, schools compete in four classes (A, B, C, D) based on class size (A being the largest schools, D being the smallest schools); each sectional meet runs four races per gender based on class size, and one team per gender from each class qualifies for the state meet based on their performance at sectionals (one team from Class A, one team from Class B...); the first five individuals per class race not from the winning team also qualify for the state meet; this is how it works every year in New York.

The main issue with this system is the wide range of competitiveness among certain sections. While this changes year to year, some sections have teams that make it by default because they're the only full team in their respective class and section some years. It's rare to have this happen, but I remember when FM and Liverpool had incredibly talented rosters for the 2013 and 2014 seasons (in 2014 FM won NXN and Liverpool was fourth), but because they were both Class A schools from the same section, only FM advanced to the state meet.

I'm only referring to Track and XC. Regions can be geographical. I'm not saying at all that this would happen just that it would be in the best interest of Track and XC if there were only 3 classifications.

And that’s never going to happen. All sports are classified the same and always will be. This isn’t a thing unique to Utah.

To give further context, dropping Utah track/XC to 3 classifications would put it on par with states like Wyoming, Alaska, and Vermont despite having 2.5 times the population of those three states combined. New Mexico, by comparison, has 4 classifications despite only having 60% the population of Utah. Likewise, Arkansas also has 6 classifications despite being smaller than Utah.

That's not true. There are schools that play in different classifications for football, basketball and soccer.

Illinois one of the largest populated states in America, only 3 classifications, 2 rounds of state qualifying races, playoffs are regionalized which makes some areas mission impossible. It’s like squeezing a bowling ball through a garden house to get to the State Championship.

After reading all the comments is Indiana the only state that doesn't have different division or classes in running? So you got large schools going against middle and medium sized schools? I didn't realize this. I am from Texas so I obviously know how that system works.

I stand corrected, but each is a limited and unique situation (see link below). Football is the only sport that is treated as its own thing for classification. XC and track never will be, nor does it make sense to for the various reason I have already noted.

Sorry to disagree but I don't think you have given me one single reason why these classifications wouldn't be better combined for Track and XC. Distance between the schools is a complete non-factor. All classifications compete at the same venue for both sports for the championship. All teams choose what races/meets they are going to do all season. Imagine what the meet would have looked like yesterday if AF, Herriman, Maple Mountain, Viewmont, Mountain View and Orem were all in the same race. That is a true state championship. I will say that the UHSAA would never let it happen.

I’ve given you far more reason for why they should remain as is than you have for why they should be combined.

The meet you just proposed actually justifies why 5A and 6A are separate groups. Imagine having a state meet where if you aren’t a top 25 national team you have no hope of finishing in the top 3 (let alone winning). Heck, let’s just do away with state meets all together and have one giant national meet. That would be super-awesome, which seems to be the only rational behind your position.

The different time qualifiers for track also demonstrate why having 6 classifications is necessary. 4:56 gets you to state in 1A (very small schools mostly in farming communities where there is little time for sports), but you’ve got to hit 4:19 to qualify in 6A. The only classifications that have times close together are 5A (4:21) and 6A, but there are so many good kids in these classifications that if they were combined you’d have 4:15ish guys not even qualifying for state. That’s a bit extreme. Utah is no different than other states in what they do. You’ve presented no reason for why combining makes sense.

I guess I'm just a little more competitive by nature and don't see the point in everyone getting a trophy.

I’ve been to the top at the state level (regardless of classification). I didn’t feel cheated in any way because someone else slower than me also got a trophy. Then again, I didn’t give two thoughts to them either.

There is qualifying for states in CA and then there is qualifying for states through the CIF - SS. It's not uncommon for some teams ranked in the top 10 - 15 in the state in their division to not even qualify out of their league to SS Prelims. Then if they make it to the finals and they are those teams hoping to steal a 4th to 6th place qualifier....good luck! I remember a prominent Southern Section Coach saying if you are one of those teams in that range.....you better run the best race of your life, because if you don't...someone else will be. Some even say the CA state meet is an easier race than the state meet, because the SS teams often go and smash the rest of the state. Individual spots are obviously tricky as well as. There's just so much depth in the Southern Section with lots of excellent, experience coaches leading their athletes.

I will correct your correction. The number of teams selected from each section are determined by their overall performance at state. The SS used to have 6 teams in D1 and the SDS had 3 go to states. Well the SDS had some teams moved down in division weakening their performances at state and now only have 2, while the SS has 7. I referenced in another post the South Coast League before they added at large teams. They had to. Any of those 5 teams could win the state meet in many other states.

There was no need for any correction. As it stands, 7 teams from SS get to go to State. No one asked how many were chosen in the past. I ran back in the mid to late 00's and even then 7 teams went from SS Finals to State.

Nebraska. Small state in terms of people, but 430 miles across. So one "class" extends the entire state.

Go your entire high school years never even seeing a team from the other side of the state, go undefeated senior year, then drive 420 miles to your state qualifier. You're down one kid but figure no big deal. You're wrong.

Also bffr you never referenced the South Coast League and the bottom two teams of the South Coast League would not "win the state meets in many other states." That has nothing to do with the at larges. It has moreso to do with the fact that the top 3 teams the past 20+ years were and are routinely vying for State titles. From 2000-2005 it was El Toro and Dana placing top 3 in D1. From 2006-2009 it was Trabuco and Dana winning D1 state titles. 2010s it was again Dana leading the SCL charge in D1, then D2. Now it's back to Dana in D3 and SC and Trabuco in D1 respectively vying for titles. You're telling me that Tesoro, Capistrano Valley, Aliso Niguel, San Juan Hills, and Mission Viejo would win state titles??? Never.

Same with the girls. Consistently it's been Dana, San Clemente, Trabuco Hills, and El Toro.

Are there really only 150 schools in Oregon? In Kansas (a much smaller state, population-wise) we have about 350. I know the people are a lot more spread out here, but that still seems off.