Nuguse has improved 11 seconds in the mile since graduating, when he only improved 12 seconds in college (over his hs times)

Lance used to enjoy that compliment. It didn't last.

A race doesn't have to be run often to achieve a fast time. Once by a very good athlete can be enough. Nobody has gone sub-3:46 in over twenty years. Until now. And it's 3:43.

We aren't talking about what may have been "possible" - that is mere conjecture - but what was actually achieved. Nothing by countless md runners below 3:46-high in nearly quarter of a century. And then two runners clock 3:43-high in the same race. A clear advertisement for doping.

Blud by that logic Jim Ryun would have run 10 secs faster if he was not in hs and and given the tracks, spikes an wavelights another 7 secs he would be a 3:38 miler. And apply the same logic to me an average runner. I run 4:55 I would be 10 secs faster if I wasn't in high school and 3 secs if I was running in dragonflies. So do I run 4:42? Absolutely not.

Who is Abdi? You mean Abdi Abdirahman? He is based in Flagstaff Arizona and we all know Flagstaff is doping paradise. Strange isn't it? Abdi seems to be running exceptionally fast for somebody so old? And he seems to appear for major races and then disappear for ages and appears again while running incredibly fast times relative to his age and standards.

Bernard was based in Tuscon with James Li, a little outside the Flagstaff doping belt and like Abdi he too was running way too fast at shorter distances while in his late 30s.

Most of the comments are probably right. Nuguse should be doing gray-zone too. Dathan Ritz was part of the NOP under ALS which was all gray-zone too. Altitude and recovery all helps to some extent but yeah I find 11 seconds too much for just simply these 2 factors alone.

Cool story bro.

LOL at mentioning Lagat and Abdi before Rupp, Ritz (:-)), and the entire NOP crew.

That's wrong, dumbo. Wrong like almost any "fact" which is presented from you.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average had never been as high a quarter of a century ago, either. Just saying.

Your argument lacks sufficient evidence to support its sweeping claims about Nuguse's cleanliness and unfairly casts doubt on his achievement. An absolute demolition job on his reputation.

Nuguse is clean. You had two 3:43s because the best guy in the world is the pacer and Nuguse was good enough as a low 3:29 man already to go with him and get drafting for 1450m. That's how the 3:28 man Noah Ngeny ran 3:43.40, drafting all the way off of El Guerrouj after being the pacer for him previously. You would have had 3:44-45 from the 3:26.69/3:27.64 Kenyan dopers Asbel Kiprop and Silas Kiplagat (never tested positive, but in that era in Kenya surely doped given his DL results and mostly disappointing champ results) had they taken the mile as seriously as they took the 1500m in Monaco.

Lol at comparing Nuguse and Ngeny. Ngeny ran 2:11 1000m and 7:35 3000m. Basically a 1:42 guy with great endurance, like a more aerobic version of Coe.

Even taking account Nuguses 7:28 it still makes no sense. His 7:28/3:43 high would have to put him at sub 1:45 800m. So you're telling me his 800m now is more impressive than ANY mile he ever ran before this year?? that's insanity

Mentally he was fine, health-wise he wasn't. Talent-wise yes he definitely could have gone under 3:45 and maybe even taken a shot at the WR. The year he ran 3:46 he was just starting to hit his stride and his prime years. But he started getting injured a lot as soon as HS was over. 2002 injured, 2003 ended with getting an apendectomy (maybe affected him during the year I dunno, that whole year he was off in races), 2006 got injured early in racing season, 2008 seemed like he just overtrained instead of racing, and from 2009 onward he was basically constantly injured.

Anyway, Nuguse just finished off a miracle year. Whether he has more talent or less talent than Jakob doesn't matter, we'll find out who is better in real life over the coming years. Just look at Webb to see that what really matters is what you end up accomplishing. Webb was one of the most talented runners ever (granted Nuguse and Jakob are two of the exceptionally rare people who have even more talent than Webb) and didn't do much professionally because injuries took him out. We have no idea how Nuguse and Jakob will do in the future. Maybe one starts getting consistently injured like Webb did. Maybe one burns out, maybe Nuguse never matches this miracle year. Time will tell.

But you can't correct it.

They dope on the Dow Jones, too?

My hunch is that Shelby tested positive for a banned substance, for which she was found guilty of committing an intentional antidoping violation.

Is Nujuse clean?

You are too stupid to check it in 10 seconds.