"Alston" money and NIL money are two different things. Every school can give Alston money. It's an education grant based on the Alston vs. NCAA case. Currently $5,980 is the max.
don't you think they're also "stockpiling talent" just so other teams can't have someone?
Eh, I think I read on another thread here that NIL is going to be the end of the mid-majors; some day it will just be P5's, the Ivies, and some good d3 schools. How are mid-majors going to compete with massive rosters from the P5's with all the money?
The mid majors are a stepping stone towards the p5s. If you develop well enough as a mid major athlete you just transfer for your last two years. The field of 68 basketball podcast discussed this in depth with mid major coaches. They understand that they can't compete.
Well, I think what we mean by fair is college football as the prime example has been "unfair" in that the big schools get the better players and we are fine with that i guess. But with this quantum leap, the big schools will get many times better because they are now just paying people-even in HS Not because they marketbale always, sometimes just to secure recruits. Is fairness on our minds? I would say looking at most pro sports having salary caps we are at least aware of the need to not alienate half you audience because they cant be relevant. So fairness is relevant. NIL is important, its unnatural that a talented person cant make money on their abilities, but it was rolled out willy nily.
It's not fair that programs have been allowed to rely on uncompensated labor for decades. If the program requires running to be existentially a full time job, then they should expect to pay for it.
Well...lets not get crazy. I worked and borrowed my way through college. Giving a scholarship athlete a $200K (thats the cash amount, not the payback) education is not free labor. I will agree that some athletes make millions for the U, they should be able to get the going rate.
If you are a scholarship athlete, you are essentially a full-time employee of the university and therefore should be compensated, but I don't think NIL is the way to do it. Someone who is good-looking shouldn't be paid more than the athlete who is not. However, the time commitment and sacrifices one makes to be a student athlete puts him or her at a disadvantage job market-wise upon graduation vs. the person who has devoted all their energy to academics. 99% of student athletes don't turn pro but should be rewarded for their contribution to the university for 4 years. The university has benefitted financially and media-wise as well as aiding in future recruiting for their service. I think a more equitable solution would be to develop a trust fund system that's yours upon completing your 4 years of eligibility. So let's say 25K a year, 100K total. The 1% football player that opts out early for the NFL draft gets nothing. The university has essentially given him on the job training. That would at least give the non-pro athlete a leg up financially after graduation to the more marketable full-time student. Businesses and boosters could fund this without being shady or playing favorites and look good PR-wise in the process. Win-win for everyone.
Im confused. You said a "scholarship" athlete needs to get compensated? You are aware what a scholarship is right? If you cover tuition and board for 4 yrs at 100-200K, that saves someone up to 500K of paying on loans over 10-20 yrs in some cases. For those of us who sweated (and donated actual blood) to pay for college, spare me the "tuition and board" is not compensation. It is real money. 50K a year is real money. And if its a half scholarship because its XC or diving, well that seems pretty fair since you are not bringing in a penny to the U and actually costing them money. But, I agree, lets get that dough flowing from NIL correctly and benefit the big stars and wet the beak of the little sports too. i wont begrudge them. Just dont tell me The QB is "free labor".
It's not fair that programs have been allowed to rely on uncompensated labor for decades. If the program requires running to be existentially a full time job, then they should expect to pay for it.
What's the difference between a power 5 spending hundreds of millions on facilities, flying private, going to every big meet, being fully funded and having a big NIL collective? Seems like the only competition is at the top and it doesn't really affect smaller schools. It's the same big versus small that's been happening forever.
What's the difference between a power 5 spending hundreds of millions on facilities, flying private, going to every big meet, being fully funded and having a big NIL collective?
NIL makes it so that these large schools essentially have more scholarships to give people than the 12 male scholarships for track and 18 female scholarships for track. so, maybe some of these recruits are not getting very much scholarship $, but NIL money makes up for it.
Another poster said it well, I'll quote him or her,
marketing bux wrote:
At the moment there is little effort by the NCAA to regulate, and since there is no NCAA policy, the legal regulations are now done on a state by state basis. Naturally, it will end up w 50 slightly different state laws. It's really the wild west at the moment.
So, it's the wild west as far as regulation. Don't get me wrong, I'm pro athletes getting $ in college, esp. considering that track and field doesn't generate any!
My concern is that it could be used - not that this hasn't been happening since the beginning of college running programs - to a) take all your eggs and throw them against a wall (this is a metaphor) b) the ones that are not injured are your All Americans. I was recruited by such a program back in the day, I did not go there.
Before coaches were limited as far as scholarships, there was more of an impetus to take care of your eggs. If that makes sense. Now you can just recruit 50 new people per year, I guess.
Compare TN's new recruits to OSU's incoming class, another powerhouse but significantly fewer new runners.
Ok, that changes things quite a bit. It seems here that he's just at Tennessee for a graduate degree and its just showing him as a freshman on the roster for some reason. Or maybe, but I highly doubt this, he got a deal with the Navy to carry out his service by representing the Navy through his athletics like Chelimo did with the Army or like some of the recent USAFA grads. Still think that's very unlikely though.
There isn't a WCAP type program for the navy. They have some kind of amateur athletic team but the members work a full time job for the navy. It will be interesting to see if the navy gives him some cushy shore based role, which could be likely after grad school - something in a lab or maybe teaching.
Uncompensated labor? I really hope you’re joking. I’m fairly certain the NARPs would love to get a quarter of what athletes have been getting before NIL. Now, it’s even more “unfair” to the NARPs than before. Most athletes aren’t riddled w/ school debt on the same level as NARPs.
. The university has benefitted financially and media-wise as well as aiding in future recruiting for their service.
You think the university benefits financially from dropping like $2 million a year on track? Ha.
As for people doubting if this is true, yes it's true. It's well known that Tennessee was going to give it'z xc athletes NIL money instead of scholarships. Someone was asking about Tuohy. That's a legit NIL deal. This is just where boosters give everyone on a team a certain amount of money. You see it all the time in football. I remember when the Texas linemen all got $50k a year.
The scholarship levels has never been fair for NCAA track. Arkansas has all type of academic money, etc. Lots of things. The number of kids on money varies greatly at schools.